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MIR - editing multiple objects at once
Last post Fri, Apr 19 2013 by Dietz, 8 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Apr 18 2013 18:50
by TobiasWagner
Joined on Mon, May 26 2003, New York, Posts 50

Hi VSL,

With instrument setups in MIR getting larger and larger (i.e. Dimension Series), it would be very helpful to be able to adjust a few things to a group of objects on stage:

  1. Setting an instrument profile, character, direction, and width to a selection of objects.
  2. While one is able to move a selection group, it would be GREAT to have them stay in line to a single point (i.e. the main mic tree). That way you can shift sections left and right, and don't have to adjust the direction parameter for each one.
  3. A default seating position could be part of an instrument's profile. Re-seating objects on stage could be done with a simple command to snap them to where they would normally go and then adjust to taste.

As is, if you decide after you're done setting up you want your violin sections in spezzato seating flanking both sides, you're in for moving and re-directing some 20 objects on stage. That might actually keep me from doing that.

In the meantime, thanks for bringing MIR into our lives. :)

Tobias

Posted on Thu, Apr 18 2013 19:01
by TobiasWagner
Joined on Mon, May 26 2003, New York, Posts 50

Ha! After taking all this time to write this post, I managed to change various parameters including direction for a group of objects... well, that one is solved!

Embarrassed

Tobias

The only glitch: at some point while moving objects around a bunch of violins decided to leave the rehearsal and dash off into open space, probably where Lothringer Straße would be (MIR doesn't show that street though). I had to drag them back into the hall like some angry conductor. I kid you not.

Posted on Fri, Apr 19 2013 09:57
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7339
TobiasWagner wrote:

Hi VSL,

With instrument setups in MIR getting larger and larger (i.e. Dimension Series), it would be very helpful to be able to adjust a few things to a group of objects on stage:

  1. Setting an instrument profile, character, direction, and width to a selection of objects.
  2. While one is able to move a selection group, it would be GREAT to have them stay in line to a single point (i.e. the main mic tree). That way you can shift sections left and right, and don't have to adjust the direction parameter for each one.
  3. A default seating position could be part of an instrument's profile. Re-seating objects on stage could be done with a simple command to snap them to where they would normally go and then adjust to taste.

As is, if you decide after you're done setting up you want your violin sections in spezzato seating flanking both sides, you're in for moving and re-directing some 20 objects on stage. That might actually keep me from doing that.

In the meantime, thanks for bringing MIR into our lives. :)

Tobias

Hi Tobias,

Thanks a lot for your friendly words.

ad 1. As you found out already by yourself, you actually _can_ use Selection Groups for most actions. :-)

ad 2. Having MIR's Instrument Icons always heading towards a defined position on a stage is on our wish list already. This feature will most certainly find its way into the application in the future.

ad 3. There is no "ordinary" place for any instrument on any stage, sorry to say so. It depends on many. many factors, like the instrumentation, the arrangement, the chosen Main Microphone settings, personal preferences ... I think it would be sufficient to allow for the seperate management of Icon positions (without having to load an actual instrument) and let the user decide what to do with these stored positions. - I'll put it on the wish-list. :-)

Thanks again for your input,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Apr 19 2013 09:59
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7339
TobiasWagner wrote:

[...]

The only glitch: at some point while moving objects around a bunch of violins decided to leave the rehearsal and dash off into open space, probably where Lothringer Straße would be (MIR doesn't show that street though). I had to drag them back into the hall like some angry conductor. I kid you not.

Please see my reply to this recent thread:

-> http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/34773.aspx

It seems as you are experiencing the same problem. Please add any information you are able to supply to that other thread.

TIA!

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Apr 19 2013 10:27
by TobiasWagner
Joined on Mon, May 26 2003, New York, Posts 50

Hi Dietz,

Thank you for responding! Yes, I agree - no orchestral seating scheme is the same. Maybe the ability to set icon positions without loading instruments is a good one, thus allowing the user to create seating-templates.

While there is definitely a playful sense of creativity in taking an instrument and positioning it on stage, it gets to become quite a workload with each individual player of a 40-60 piece orchestra, if you start from scratch.

Best,

Tobias

Posted on Fri, Apr 19 2013 10:52
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7339

Well - that might be one of the advantages when working with the plug-in version of MIR Pro right now: You can easily build a selection of positioning presets with the plug-in, which obviously doesn't load samples or any other instrument-related data.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Apr 19 2013 13:58
by TobiasWagner
Joined on Mon, May 26 2003, New York, Posts 50

Yes, that's an interesting concept. A colleague of mine works with the MIR like that. The other benefit is, MIR instances on audio tracks appear on the same stage as the other instruments, much like it used to work with feeding audio from a DAW to the Ensemble before the plugin came out.

I'll do some experimenting - it comes down to load times between session, I believe. The 'preserve' feature does have its benefits.

Best,

Tobias

Posted on Fri, Apr 19 2013 14:29
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7339
TobiasWagner wrote:

Yes, that's an interesting concept. A colleague of mine works with the MIR like that. The other benefit is, MIR instances on audio tracks appear on the same stage as the other instruments, much like it used to work with feeding audio from a DAW to the Ensemble before the plugin came out.

Yes, that's most certainly a very unique feature of the plug-in (and something we're quite proud of, to be honest ;-) ...).


TobiasWagner wrote:
I'll do some experimenting - it comes down to load times between session, I believe. The 'preserve' feature does have its benefits.

There's no doubt about the fact that MIR Pro can unfold its full glory only in conjunction with VE Pro ("Guess Instrument Profiles" comes to mind, as well as "Channel Sets", and and maybe the option to use two different MIR Venues at the same time, too). "Preserve" is a key-feature of the whole system in any case, though. :-)

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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