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  • Musescore - Is it compatible with VSL?

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    I really have my doubts and I know this topic might have been discussed a long time ago.

    I know Sibelius 7 and Finale are very popular but I noticed that musescore is starting to get some attention, it got my attention on the newest versions... Musescore is indeed a great piece of art for a simplistic and free software. Is there any plans soon that is wonderful team might include a VST or AU Inputs? If that team really done that, they could have got a lot of attention from most professional library users like (VSL, EWQL, Cinesamples, Albion....); I have used musescore since it was like the first versions. I heard Sibelius 7 and Finale has a quite vast of fans and popularity, but I really want to hear your side of musescore, what goods or bads bring you this program? What use could you make from it?

    Cheers,

    Ricardo

    PS: Avoid Flamewars, I heard that a topic got closed because towards some point there was a raving fight between users...
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    MuseScore IS NOT compatible with VSL.

    I have been talking with them since almost a year. They say they do not have the resources to write the code for VSL, it is not there priority !

    If you know somebody that is willing to help them, he is welcome !

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Finale is rubish compared to Sibelius, and Sibelius has no support if you are testing it ! They told me I have to buy a ticket ! and you do not have access to the forum is you are testing !

    Knowing very well the guy doing the support in France because he was at the French Logic support when Logic was Emagic, I was stop by the secretary and he did not even bother to answer back my mail

    Dont buy Sibelius !

    I have saw email complaining too with there support !!

    I am trying Overture 4 since this morning, good first impression with all the possiblity availlable to make it compatible with VSL

    I have tried to import my test score that is a big score in .mid and in .XML----> CRASH

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     I understand your concern Cyril. This why I try to find an open source software and musescore has all the potential to be one of the best scoring softwares, but they are too stubborn in this position... They are not "open minded". They didn't paid attention or even tried to do what some members recommended... adding VST or AU Plugins. Maybe they don't have the right personal do it right. 

    External libraries which have indeed, a better and realistic sound. The FluidSynth seems too amateur-ish, I think it is rubbish compared to most external libraries out there like edirol or GPO4. Even Edirol and GPO4 is better than that FluidSynth system they use. But like I said, it is up to them to decide.

    Ricardo
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    The AU au VST is not the main concern. The main problem is that there score engine sends articulation changes. 

    If they coud do that, sending the midi to an IAC port will do what we need. (VSL can receive midi from IAC)

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     IAC port is moreless for Macs. What would recommend for windows?
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    no idea, check with a PC specialist

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Hello Cyril & Ricardo, I have been reading your posts. As I am new to VSL (actually awaiting the key to be sent to me)I can mainly only talk from my experience with GPO4 and Overture. I have used Overture since it's first days and it is a very intuitive and easy program to learn, yet has developed over the many versions into a program that is very deep as well. Version 5 is being developed and it will have some good features that Finale has had for some time, which will completely eliminate any reason for Finale, in my opinion. I played around with Sibelius for a while but I found it to be less intuitive and I still prefer the easy way you can drag notes, change time values, etc in Overture. Not everyone is a keyboard player, and for someone like myself, who just likes to write on virtual staff paper, Overture is definitely the best. I am hoping (as I've indicated in other posts) that someone like me, who does not want to have to write XML files or deal with controllers, will be able to utilize the superior features of VSL. Soundwise there is nothing better and I wish I had discovered this earlier. I don't understand why Overture is relatively unknown compared to the other notation programs. Their forum members are very helpful and eager to supply answers and the product, which may have been stagnant for a short while as it was around to different distributors, is now very active. I hope more VSL users discover it. Pete
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Hi Rainbow

    What is the link to the Overture groupe and to the Overture support, because the piece I want to import is making Overture crash !

    Overture is at 199 $, and you have a crossgrade from Finale at 79 $

    What is new in Overture 5 ?

    Do they have upgrade path at Sonic score ?

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Here is the link http://sonicscores.com/forum/ Overture 5 is not yet available but there is much discussion about it there. Pete
  • Cyril BlancC
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    @Cyril said:

    Finale is rubish compared to Sibelius
     

    I have bought Finale and I have aske a refund.

    Finale is outdated, non 64bit, non multi process, it does not know how to import "quadruple croches" has problem of display heavy score

    You can read my adventure with Finale at : http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&p=1&m=405487

    Look at this :

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     What I am trying to avoid is a flamewars between william and Cyril. I know you guys don't share the same ideas or opinions. Try to play nicely along here or you'll get this thread closed. I'm not to sound bossy or very immature, but you two should get a better behavior and have a decent argument, if you mind...

    I never used finale, but I used sibelius 6 in the conservatory, I was getting really along with it. While they changed to 7, I was really loving it. I can only use it in the conservatory though.

    Musescore can have potential to be a great software and I'll look into overture later.

    Topic Change:

    Now we are all here discussing about notation softwares. What do you think about Notion 4. I heard it is great for VSL Special Editions, the only problem might seem to be is the dynamics. Is there a simpler way of doing it using hairpins but while they give midi response to CC#2
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    @William said:

    Import quadruple croches -  from MIDI?  No program imports MIDI perfectly though Finale certainly does quadruple anything down to tiny note values so there is something else wrong. 

    I am not trying to get into a big argument, just saying it is a good program and should not be dismissed so completely like that. 

    I will sign off and say good luck.  I only looked at this because there are always new notation programs coming out though I've never found any to be able to do more than either Finale or Sibelius.

    just look at the screen copies I have post. It is no acceptable to have this. Sibelius, Logic can show this score correctly .

    There is no Import problem of my test piece with Sibelius and with MuseScore  !

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    @ricardojvc6 said:

    Now we are all here discussing about notation softwares. What do you think about Notion 4. I heard it is great for VSL Special Editions, the only problem might seem to be is the dynamics. Is there a simpler way of doing it using hairpins but while they give midi response to CC#2

    I have bought it, very disapointed.

    It is working OK for small score, an unusable for large score.

    Also it is not 64 bit, it's not multi proc !

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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     So which one would you recommend? I liked sibelius actually when I used at the conservatory. Their staff might not be the best.

    Ricardo
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    @ricardojvc6 said:

     So which one would you recommend? I liked sibelius actually when I used at the conservatory. Their staff might not be the best.

    Ricardo

    Today I will say : NONE

    I am looking at Overture 4 for the moment

    I have not find yet the way to assign a midi channel to an instrument on an IAC port

    I would love that Logic is able to do articulation changes !

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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     That is great! Can someone please post the major diferences between finale 2012 and Sibelius 7? Sibelius 7 is good with Midi,VST (VSL), and Finale has great looking scores but I don't know how the midi or VST works for Finale.

    Ricardo
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Hi William

    I did nothing wrong, just import a midi file.

    This file is the Symphony From The New World of Anton Dvorak.

    I work a lot with the score and the mouse (I play very badly the piano)

    When you have work with Logic, Finale is so poor, not user friendly, mono task.

    With Logic you can edit a track, a group of tracks while it is playing, it is very handy when you work on a part

    You change instrument while it is playing add and effect, Logic is totally MULTI TASK ! but it does not deal with the articulations !!!!!

    It's a pitty that Logic team would not listen to his user and add the management of the articulations !

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic