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Rewire and the Performance Tool?
Last post Wed, Oct 13 2004 by David Govett, 8 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Oct 01 2004 00:19
by Existence
Joined on Mon, Sep 20 2004, Seattle, WA, Posts 30
I'm currently using GS3 under rewire with Sonar (with mixed results, BTW, although I LOVE the VGL Library Big Smile ) and before I take the plunge on Chamber Strings or Opus 1, I am curious how the Performance Tool will integrate into this system. I understand in general the midi routing of the performance tool on a non-rewire system, but want to understand if it will work under a rewire scenario.

Any thoughts or input on how this will work?

Regards,

David
Posted on Sat, Oct 02 2004 11:02
by Jean
Joined on Thu, Jan 30 2003, Posts 204
I would like to know too since I have only just been toying around with GS3. Giga VST can route the necessary midi data, I am not sure rewire does the same. If I render in Cubase by not using the dedicated GS3 rewire ports but the vsl router to reroute stuff through the performance tool, the wav file remains empty. Confused

Anyone?
Posted on Tue, Oct 05 2004 15:47
by Existence
Joined on Mon, Sep 20 2004, Seattle, WA, Posts 30
Bump. I guess I'll have to call VSL tech support? Seems like a simple question...
Posted on Mon, Oct 11 2004 14:11
by Jean
Joined on Thu, Jan 30 2003, Posts 204
Still no one here with a suggestion?

Dave, how are you using the performance tool with GS3 and rewire? Is there no way for it to route the midi information too, like Giga VST allows? Confused
Posted on Tue, Oct 12 2004 06:12
by David Govett
Joined on Mon, Jul 29 2002, Austin Texas USA, Posts 1046
We'll, I'm just using hardware MIDI for most of my connections. For the local computer that has percussion, I'm not needing the performance tool so I have not run into this problem. I don't know if its doable at this point.
That is something for them to look into though and see if there is a solution.
For alternating instruments, the alternator built into Giga 3.0 works pretty well and it handle more patterns and longer patterns and the articulations can be named as well. There is also a 3.0 legato tool but it uses a different mapping layout and doesn't handle multiple velocities very well. (yet)
If you use more than one computer, hopefully for now, you can rewire on the sequencing system with instruments that don't need the tool and use the tool on external computers with MIDI connections.

Dave
Posted on Tue, Oct 12 2004 11:24
by Jean
Joined on Thu, Jan 30 2003, Posts 204
David Govett wrote:
There is also a 3.0 legato tool but it uses a different mapping layout and doesn't handle multiple velocities very well.
Is it difficult to remap the performance patches? I skimmed through the manual but there's very little in there on creating repetition and legato i-midi rules. Sad
Posted on Tue, Oct 12 2004 21:12
by Existence
Joined on Mon, Sep 20 2004, Seattle, WA, Posts 30
Hi Dave, thanks for the reply. I am using GS3 and Sonar on one machine, and would prefer to keep it that way if possible, and really want to take advantage of the rewire functionality in GS3 now that it is available.

Would the Performance Tool have to be a rewire device to operate under this scenario? How difficult is that sort of programming, I wonder?

I have not yet had success with the Imidi legato in GS3 (something about the way external midi is handled by GS3 creates problems that have been well documented here) and as far as I know VSL has not yet programmed their libraries to work with GS3 directly without the Perf. Tool (other than the aforementioned VSL legato demos that came with GS3 Orch.) The alternator works fine, but then again only one Imidi rule is allowed at this time...

It looks like I might have to hold off on purchasing Chamber Strings and Solo Strings until I can come up with a workable situation. The performance elements of those libraries are what sets them apart!

Thanks for your time, and let me know if you can think of a way to do this, as many GS3 users are now rewire users on one comp.

Regards,

David
Posted on Wed, Oct 13 2004 20:10
by David Govett
Joined on Mon, Jul 29 2002, Austin Texas USA, Posts 1046
"Would the Performance Tool have to be a rewire device to operate under this scenario? How difficult is that sort of programming, I wonder?"

Something like that might work. Right now however, rewire is not designed to work this way or the performance tool.

"I have not yet had success with the Imidi legato in GS3 (something about the way external midi is handled by GS3 creates problems that have been well documented here) and as far as I know VSL has not yet programmed their libraries to work with GS3 directly without the Perf. Tool (other than the aforementioned VSL legato demos that came with GS3 Orch.) The alternator works fine, but then again only one Imidi rule is allowed at this time..."

You can use one rule on one instrument, another rule on another and so on. Only one at a time per instrument though. However, as you pointed out, the tool is not perfect yet (I'll be helping Joe to perfect it) and it requires a 3.0 version of the gig file. I think something like that might be deliverable with .art files (articulation files)

"It looks like I might have to hold off on purchasing Chamber Strings and Solo Strings until I can come up with a workable situation. The performance elements of those libraries are what sets them apart!"

I wouldn't let a technology snag stop your creative possibilites. I would personally get more use out of having the sounds and using them without rewire (capture or record back into the sequencer) than doing without them.
Rewire is very nice but not worth stopping creative possibilities to use it.

"Thanks for your time, and let me know if you can think of a way to do this, as many GS3 users are now rewire users on one comp. "

Your welcome. The only thing at this point is send midi the usual way internally and route the audio pysically back into the sequencer. Like I said, that is a preferable option to doing without some great sounds. (In my not so humble opinion anyway)

Cheers
Dave
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