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Last post Mon, Dec 23 2013 by Gukas Pogosyan, 11 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Dec 09 2013 20:51
by Gukas Pogosyan
Joined on Thu, Nov 24 2011, Russia, Posts 141

Dear All,

Is Soprano Choir a part of Vienna Choir or they are a different collections? A Soprano is only Standard whereas Vienna Choir -- Standard and Extended.

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Posted on Mon, Dec 09 2013 22:01
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11895

Hello Gukas, 

The Soprano Choir was our first recorded choir and is a separate collection, also different in sound and articulations

The Vienna Choir was recorded afterwards. 

Best, 

Paul

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Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Dec 10 2013 01:02
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

As an owner of the Vienna Choir library,  is there any point in adding the Soprano Choir library? 

Are the voices different enough to justify owning both?  

Are they the same vocalists on both libraries?

thanks
Andy

Posted on Tue, Dec 10 2013 10:24
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11895

Hi Andy, 

I´m not sure about the singers, but this choir definitely sounds different

Personally, for me, it´s a very nice addition. Maybe other users want to chime in here as well. It´s of course also a matter of taste.  

Best, 

Paul

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Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Dec 12 2013 22:44
by Pyre
Joined on Thu, Jun 28 2012, Posts 143
My view has always been that adding in the Soprano Choir to the Vienna Choir mix would seriously imbalance the choir sections and make the whole thing soprano-heavy. Bear in mind that the Vienna Choir already has 16 sopranos, as opposed to the 10 altos, 10 tenors and 8 basses, so the last thing I personally would want to do would be to add another 16 sopranos. If you're after a very high, bright sound, then perhaps go for it, but otherwise, I myself would not do so.

That said, Paul is doubtless right, that the two sound different, so there are probably situations where the Soprano Choir sounds better instead of the Vienna Choir sopranos (though the Vienna Choir sections were all recorded with working together in mind, whereas the Soprano Choir was built as a standalone - as far as I know). Also, I have not tried them both together, it could be that I am completely mistaken and that the enormous combined soprano section sounds great.


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Posted on Fri, Dec 13 2013 13:27
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812

Apparently some of the singers are the same, but they're essentially two different groups sampled a few years apart. IMO the old Soprano Choir has a fuller sound (which I prefer), but the sopranos in Vienna Choir perform more articulations.

Soprano Choir articulations www.vsl.co.at/en/211/496/720/722/764/492.htm

Vienna Choir articulations www.vsl.co.at/en/211/442/1766/1767/1769/1414.htm

Posted on Sat, Dec 14 2013 15:16
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1726
Gukas Pogosyan wrote:

Dear All,

Is Soprano Choir a part of Vienna Choir or they are a different collections? A Soprano is only Standard whereas Vienna Choir -- Standard and Extended.

Hi Gukas

It's a long time ago since I produced these examples...  but the examples are still in the net...

Some Vienna Choir-Demos:

http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vienna-choir/index.php

A Comparison between the Vienna Sopranos and the Download Sopranos (First Soprano-Edition)

http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vienna-choir/comparing-choirs/index.php

Have fun

Beat

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at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Sat, Dec 14 2013 18:51
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812

Brilliant, Beat!

Posted on Sun, Dec 22 2013 21:20
by Gukas Pogosyan
Joined on Thu, Nov 24 2011, Russia, Posts 141





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It's a long time ago since I produced these examples...  but the examples are still in the net...

Some Vienna Choir-Demos:

http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vienna-choir/index.php

A Comparison between the Vienna Sopranos and the Download Sopranos (First Soprano-Edition)

http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vienna-choir/comparing-choirs/index.php



and thank's for an axsamples. But….

A choir is the most difficult and vulnerable group to acomplish the task.  I'm progressing with String Orchestra, Solo Strings, Percussion and some Brass instruments but I'v never get rich sound of a Choir. 

How to get a rich Tenor sound if in a higher range man's voice sounds like a women's?

How to get a rich low Bass  Choir sound if as you go down the voice become weaker and weaker?( No anything of the kind in a Tube collection or low strings.)












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Posted on Sun, Dec 22 2013 22:45
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1726
Gukas Pogosyan wrote:

Hi, Beat,

and thank's for an axsamples. But….

A choir is the most difficult and vulnerable group to acomplish the task.  I'm progressing with String Orchestra, Solo Strings, Percussion and some Brass instruments but I'v never get rich sound of a Choir. 

How to get a rich Tenor sound if in a higher range man's voice sounds like a women's?

How to get a rich low Bass  Choir sound if as you go down the voice become weaker and weaker?( No anything of the kind in a Tube collection or low strings.)

Hi Gukas

The answer is not the one you would like to get, I'm sure:

If you need a Russian Basso Profundo Register the Vienna Choir is the wrong library I suppose. The same facts for high Tenors.

Could be that the MARS Library would be the better solution. http://www.bestservice.de/en/mars.html

(Sorry for this link here in the VSL-Forum).

But I must say I don't know those library and the demos are showing more a cinematic orchestra than the male choir...

Beat

Addition:

How to get a rich low Bass  Choir sound... Try to play the voice in a well and full sounding range and then use an audio pitch transposer to transpose it down in the range you use.

In the mean time don't use the "formant-option" (or less as the transposition) so you eventually will get a more dark Profundo sound...

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Mon, Dec 23 2013 16:54
by Gukas Pogosyan
Joined on Thu, Nov 24 2011, Russia, Posts 141

Hi Beat

Thank's for MARS. I'v lisened and came to conclujion that I like Vienna Choir more then before. MARS is too much ready and focused to a spesial direction and task.    

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