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Last post Fri, Dec 27 2013 by jspencer, 10 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Dec 20 2013 09:07
by flashman
Joined on Sun, Mar 20 2005, Posts 141

Hi

I run a Mac and 4 PC slaves and a large template of 600 midi tracks, 60 odd MIDI ports, currently in DP but looking at Cubase. I have heard that VST3 on large templates take a very very long time to load. So how do people do this?

A/ running literally dozens of instances of VSL EP

B/ Event input rather than VST3

C/ Hardware MIDI interfaces

Posted on Fri, Dec 20 2013 12:47
by buhardilla
Joined on Thu, Oct 25 2012, Posts 10
flashman wrote:
B/ Event input rather than VST3

In Cubase you won´t use Event input, instead you´ll use multiport VST access, remember: in just one VEP pro instance you have available 16 port*16 channel (no more AU 1port*16 channel limitation). In this way if you put in groups your instruments (Play, VSL etc..) to fill all ports in each VEPpro server instance, you´ll optimize CPU thread with fewest instances.
Mac Pro 5.1 Hexacore. 10.14.4 VEPro | DP10 | Logic Pro X
Posted on Fri, Dec 20 2013 13:10
by flashman
Joined on Sun, Mar 20 2005, Posts 141

And the load times don't get ridiculously long with loads of ports? Or do you just live with it and go and make a cup of tea or something!

Posted on Fri, Dec 20 2013 13:35
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

There is a sweetspot as to how many ports will work best. I wouldn't recommend more than 8. However, even if you only have 2 ports per instance, that's half the number of instances that you need with DP.

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Posted on Sat, Dec 21 2013 18:00
by buhardilla
Joined on Thu, Oct 25 2012, Posts 10
flashman wrote:
And the load times don't get ridiculously long with loads of ports?

are you speaking about how long will take to load the project in CUbase and if this time is delayed due to lot and lot of VEP midi ports instances?
With respect to this question I have found that the same midi-VI template load a little more in Cubase 7 respect to DP 8. I explain this because DP is a cocoa native app and better optimized for mac than Cubase: I don´t think is due to excessive VEP midi ports. This load time is insignificant compared with the time that take to load all sample libraries into the VEP server instances
Mac Pro 5.1 Hexacore. 10.14.4 VEPro | DP10 | Logic Pro X
Posted on Sun, Dec 22 2013 00:51
by john_3224
Joined on Thu, Aug 28 2003, Posts 13

Hi Chiming in here because I just installed Cubase 7.5 and my templates with about 1400 tracks are taking 2:35 to load now.  in Cubase 7 they took 1:34 and I thought that was a reallyy long time. Not loving this issue.

I had an idea want to bounce around to serve this end.

Would it be possible to run a metaframe in the background of my composing machine that connects to the 3 PC's meta frames and would be there and ready.

For example if I boot up myy meta frames on my 3 PCs and the meta Frame on my Main composeing machine and they connect, then when I opened Cuase all those midi ports would show up like the midi connectins in audio midi setup or rtpMidi and all the audio channels that are coming in from the PC's would show up as hardware connections in cubase.

This would be fantastic and a major upgrade so that the plugs and the intrument instances would not have to be run inside your DAW.

Posted on Sun, Dec 22 2013 10:45
by flashman
Joined on Sun, Mar 20 2005, Posts 141

OK 2:35 must seem like forever but its not a deal breaker. It always takes me about 10 minutes to get all 4 slaves up and running in the morning. 1400 tracks!  I got given a hard time about 650 by some people. Go you! 

The background ot this is we're running 3 or 4 studios on mac pros with dp and logic. I have some big issues with DP8 and can't run it yet. The new macpros are 3 x the price of the equivalent PC so the quesiton is why don't we go to Cubase on a PC? Take a while to learn but if it works for HZ and HGW and others....This load time issue was one potential problem but it looks like I could live with that.

Posted on Sun, Dec 22 2013 12:13
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

Connection times from Mac to PC does take a long amount of time.  However, Mac to Mac is quick.   This is why my next slave may be a MINI instead of another PC. 

Chris

Posted on Sun, Dec 22 2013 16:13
by buhardilla
Joined on Thu, Oct 25 2012, Posts 10
john_3224 wrote:
my templates with about 1400 tracks

1400?….my God!!!!!!!
..I just have 400
Mac Pro 5.1 Hexacore. 10.14.4 VEPro | DP10 | Logic Pro X
Posted on Fri, Dec 27 2013 03:17
by jspencer
Joined on Sun, May 19 2013, Posts 14
Just curious....why do you really need a 1400 track template?
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