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Posted on Sun, Dec 29 2013 12:11
by Andreas 1
Joined on Fri, Jun 09 2006, Posts 35

What I would like to have: multiphonics and slaptongue for bassclarinet en saxophones, dead notes for mallets, glockenspiel with pedal, different brass dampers and an accordeon. And very important for me: half pedal by vienna imperial!

Are there any plans for it?

Best,

Andreas

Posted on Mon, Dec 30 2013 06:09
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1562
andreas1 wrote:

What I would like to have: multiphonics and slaptongue for bassclarinet en saxophones, dead notes for mallets, glockenspiel with pedal, different brass dampers and an accordeon. And very important for me: half pedal by vienna imperial!

Are there any plans for it?

Best,

Andreas

 

Well now this is refreshing.  Usually when somebody posts their wish list for future VSL sample libraries it's filled with all kinds of grandiose out of the ordinary sugestions like car horns or dogs barking in Hungarian Major ScaleDogDog  Your suggestions are improvements on what's already available.  NiceSmile  And they could be offered as upgrades rather than new libraries.  Even nicerBig Smile

To touch on your brass suggestion, I would like to see latin brass stylings myself.  I'm surprised VSL hasn't tried Latin Brass yet because we all know that Vienna, Austria is just a cacophony of Mariachi bandsParadise and Tito Puente clones roaming the streets.  That goes without sayingStick out tongue

A Boys Choir would be splendid.

Okay maybe dogs barking in chromatic scaleDog  Is that too much to ask!!!!  I prevail upon you VSL!!!


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Posted on Mon, Dec 30 2013 07:09
by mplaster
Joined on Fri, Jan 12 2007, phoenix | az | usa, Posts 217

i would like car horns and dogs barking in Hungarian Major Scale. 

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Posted on Mon, Dec 30 2013 07:16
by johnstaf
Joined on Thu, Apr 21 2011, EI, Posts 189
I agree that Vienna Imperial could do with half-pedalling. I use this piano for several hours each day, and love it, but I still have to use an otherwise inferior piano for realistic pedalling.
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Posted on Mon, Dec 30 2013 11:40
by Andreas 1
Joined on Fri, Jun 09 2006, Posts 35
jasensmith wrote:
Usually when somebody posts their wish list for future VSL sample libraries it's filled with all kinds of grandiose out of the ordinary sugestions like car horns or dogs barking in Hungarian Major Scale

Okay, something like that I would like to have too: 

Javanese Dimension Gamelan   Smile 

Best, Andreas

Posted on Mon, Dec 30 2013 12:12
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
mplaster wrote:

i would like car horns and dogs barking in Hungarian Major Scale. 

Already got car horns.  Stick out tongue

DG

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Posted on Mon, Dec 30 2013 12:53
by Ricardo22
Joined on Mon, Oct 08 2012, Portugal, Madeira, São Martinho, Posts 74

Car Horns? No. Bicycle Horns? Hm... No. Barking Dogs? Maybe in Octaves. Hungarian Scales? Maybe... with consideration. Stick out tongue

I'd expect something great that VSL can do in the future with Dimension Brass. I'd like Mutes choices for this and more articulations for it. Dimension Brass is already good on what it does. It is great to know that Dimension strings will have Con sordino library, but I'd love to see Dimension Brass with Mutes. Multiphonics are indeed something that I would like to see in the future.

For Woodwinds, I'd expect a Bass Oboe for a next library, but I don't know. Heckelphone is quite sufficient indeed... Furthermore, I'd like to see a 2nd Clarinet and 2 more Clarinets but in A. For Brass, more mute choices. A reminder that this is just a wishlist.

Vienna Imperial Half-Pedal is a "must" that needs to be there. Not trying to be arrogant or meanie face... Smile A good piano sound needs half-pedaling for realistic purposes and we all know that.

Cheers,

Ricardo Castro

Posted on Mon, Dec 30 2013 13:42
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

I'd like to see extra articulations in the Vienna Choir such as humming (mmm),  and  at some point I would really like VSL to address the lack of a second violin section,  we really shouldn't be having to fake a second violin section.

Often,  the only sounds I use that are not VSL is drums.  I know we have Jazz Drums,  but it would be perfect if VSL had a full drum kit - though drums probably would need an exclusive player (like Vienna Imperial has for the piano).

oh,   and something the OP suggested -   I would +1  the accordion -  that's quite Austrian isn't it?

Posted on Mon, Dec 30 2013 19:12
by julian
Joined on Fri, Jan 07 2005, UK, Posts 720

One of the most neglected areas of recent times in the VSL universe is percussion.

It would be good to have some more dynamic Tam hits - none of the current selection are particularly forte. But the most needed missing articulations in percussion are pfps (swells). At the moment with timps for example you can either  do a volume crossfade - doesn't work too well - or follow a crescendo with a dim (with slow attack) but it's a lot of extra work to create a frequently required articulation.

So extended percussion please! particularly revisiting the timps, orchestral bass drums, cymbals, tam tams and gongs.

Julian

Posted on Tue, Dec 31 2013 06:29
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1562

I agree with Julian concerning the percussion.

The plucked instruments seem kind of incomplete without a good nylon guitar sampled.

I offered my stellar human beat box skills to the VSL team at least a year ago...  I'm still waiting for that phone call guys.  Also, I do this thing with my lips and mouth that sound exactly like a zither... send me a PM.

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Posted on Tue, Dec 31 2013 06:41
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1562
DG wrote:

Already got car horns.  Stick out tongue

 

 

Yeah but are they in Hungarian Major scale?  Of course you could always fake it but aren't we tired of having to "fake it" with samples???


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Posted on Tue, Dec 31 2013 10:46
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
jasensmith wrote:
DG wrote:

Already got car horns.  Stick out tongue

 

 

Yeah but are they in Hungarian Major scale?  Of course you could always fake it but aren't we tired of having to "fake it" with samples???

Well you do have a point. I think my Pitch wheel is in danger of becoming worn out.

DG

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Posted on Sun, Jan 05 2014 16:53
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
jasensmith wrote:
The plucked instruments seem kind of incomplete without a good nylon guitar sampled.

I believe VSL's Concert Guitar http://www.vsl.co.at/en/211/496/721/534/728/422.htm has nylon strings.

Posted on Sun, Jan 05 2014 17:37
by GallenWolf
Joined on Tue, May 29 2012, Posts 19
Dogs barking in Hungarian Major Scale is quite an interesting concept.

I'm not sure if dog barks are pitched... if not, is there a way to "make" an unpitched barking sample into something that has a tone?
Posted on Sun, Jan 05 2014 18:38
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
GallenWolf wrote:
is there a way to "make" an unpitched barking sample into something that has a tone?

Yes: book some singing lessons for the dog.

Posted on Sun, Jan 05 2014 20:13
by Andreas 1
Joined on Fri, Jun 09 2006, Posts 35

This dog got singing lessons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiblYasnzWE

Now VSL could start with him a dog library.

Posted on Mon, Jan 06 2014 00:48
by Pyre
Joined on Thu, Jun 28 2012, Posts 143
Of the suggestions mentioned, an accordion would be really handy on occasion, and humming articulations for Vienna Choir would be magical. I'm hesitant to mention solo singers, as a lone human voice is incredibly delicate to edit seamlessly, but the VSL team did such a stellar job with the crossfades on the recorders pack that maybe there's nothing they can't do...
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Posted on Fri, Jan 31 2014 08:19
by Jos Wylin
Joined on Mon, Dec 03 2012, Belgium, Posts 580

I can agree with these wishes, but would like to add: noy just an accordion. This is the past. Nowadays, the modern accordion is a concertible or a bayan. There are two discants: the normal right hand discant and the left hand discant, which can be converted to a normal accordion bas system and vice versa. All modern composers use that instrument (of course, since there are so many more possibilities).

Best wishes to all of you.

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Posted on Sat, Feb 01 2014 21:38
by Pingu
Joined on Wed, Dec 28 2005, Posts 122

I'd like to see the Vienna version of the new 'aleatoric' libraries that are appearing. I don't own the others (Strezov and 8DIO if it's not out of order to mention them), but I already know that, when I do, I'm going to be wanting a version that I can make sit with my Vienna stuff by simply clicking the MIRx button. Although the current offerings may be very extensive there's no straight orchestral set that corresponds to them, so it's not possible to mix up 'bread and butter' writing with Psycho moments in the same piece.

I want everything that Ligeti, Lachenmann and Penderecki ever dreamed of - sul ponticello scrubbing, sul tasto scrubbing, harmonic glissandi, controllable multiphonics, trombones doing motorbike impressions, etc, etc.

Posted on Sat, Sep 13 2014 11:43
by marcotrosi
Joined on Sun, Nov 20 2011, Posts 3
I totally agree with the accordion. It's currently the only instrument I am missing.
There are some good VST instruments out there,

http://www.ilyaefimov.co...keyboards/accordion.html
http://virtual-acoustic.com/index.php/en/
http://www.bestservice.de/accordions.html

but I would prefer a Vienna instrument.

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