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Posted on Sat, Jan 18 2014 18:32
by stevesong
Joined on Mon, Oct 18 2004, NYC, Posts 714

I recently completed a piece for 8 instruments in Finale 2010.  I then made a MIDI file (after having turned off Finale's Human Playback) and opened it in Logic 9.  In playing back the score from Finale, I had employed a standalone configuration of Vienna Ensemble Pro5/MIR accessed through the IAC ports. 

As we all know one of the nice features of the Vienna Instruments Pro sample player is that it allows the user to assign any controller to any parameter. Since I wanted to use Finale's MIDI Tool for volume and expression effects rather than relying on Finale HP's interpretation of what I wrote, I assigned Volume to Controller 35 and Expression to Controller 19. I set MIDI Volume within Finale (in the instruments list window) to 90 which corresponds to a 0 db setting in Logic. When I opened he MIDI file in Logic I found that, despite the fact that I had turned off Human Playpack,  the MIDI file contained a great deal of Controller 7 (volume) data that reflected the cresc. and dim. hairpins in the score. I erased all this data from every track and set Controller 7 t0 90. This is important because I opted to instantiate the instruments as VI Pro instances within Logic and used the MIR plugin instead of instantiating Vienna Ensemble Pro 5/MIR as a 16 channel configuration assigned, in Logic, to Instrument One. This means that although I could avoid Controller 7 data from affecting the instruments themselves, any CC 7 data in Logic's Software Instrument tracks would affect Logic's mixer controls. Unfortunately I have encountered an anomaly. In the piano track there appears to be invisible CC 7 (volume) data: no matter how many times I insert a CC 7 = 90 command, an instant later I can observe the mixer jumping down to -2.2db. This is particularly iroinc in that the piano track would never normally have CC 7 data except at the beginning. Mysteriously, if one looks at Logic's event lists or observes Controller 7 data in the Hyperdraw window there is no indication of any command other that CC 7 = 90. Nonetheless, one has to assume that the MIDI file created by Finale has some invisible Controller 7 data in it. How could this happen? How could it be avoided? I'd appreciate anyone's insight regarding this. Thanks in advance.

Stephen Siegel
New York City

MacPro (4.1) dual-quad Xeon @ 2.9.3 Ghz
24GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
2 960 GB OWC E2 Mercury Accelsior SSDs one dedicated to samples and the other partitioned into a partition for samples and a part ion for apps and files.
MOTU 2408 MK III (PCIe)

MacBook Pro with 2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
MOTU 828
Firmtek/Seritek 2SM2-E Express Card SATA adapter.

Logic 9.1.6.; Finale 2011
Posted on Sat, Jan 18 2014 21:10
by stevesong
Joined on Mon, Oct 18 2004, NYC, Posts 714

Problem was that, for reasons best known by the computer elves, automation was turned on in this one track and set to a slightly lower level than 0 db. I turned it off and problems ceased.

Stephen Siegel
New York City

MacPro (4.1) dual-quad Xeon @ 2.9.3 Ghz
24GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
2 960 GB OWC E2 Mercury Accelsior SSDs one dedicated to samples and the other partitioned into a partition for samples and a part ion for apps and files.
MOTU 2408 MK III (PCIe)

MacBook Pro with 2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
MOTU 828
Firmtek/Seritek 2SM2-E Express Card SATA adapter.

Logic 9.1.6.; Finale 2011
Posted on Sun, Jan 19 2014 18:05
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7451

 Hi Stephen,

good to hear that you could sort out the issue by yourself. I had already mailed Andreas Olszewski, VSL's notation software specialist, and Marnix Veenenbos from VSL's support team to look into it on Monday. :-)

All the best,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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