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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 17:20
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1134

 I just installed the MIRx update, which includes the new DS Basses. I was dismayed to find that player 1 is positioned in the center of the stage. Is this a mistake, or that's just the way it is?

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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 17:44
by Richard Bowling
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Needville, TX, Posts 44

I noticed that as well but I *think* that is a default and we will most likely see an update for MIR and MIRx very soon

Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 17:45
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868

Did you update the VI Pro 2 Player software to build 2.4.13135 (or later), too?

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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 17:49
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868

This is what it should look like:

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[click thumbnail for full resoultion screenshot ]

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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 17:58
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1134

Yes, that's how it looks. But a double bass will never be in the center of the stage like that. Even player 4 is not very far over...

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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 18:10
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868

Errr .... all basses in MIRx are positioned near the center, and I see no reason why they would "never be there". There are different ways to set up an orchestra, and Herb Tucmandl decided to use the quite popular version with the Double Basses in the center of the stage during the product design phase of MIRx.

Please keep in mind that MIRx' main idea is to provide easy-to-use _presets_ - it's quite obvious that it can't serve all needs and tastes. If you prefer to hear the Double Basses on other positions, you can always use one of the the General Purpose Profiles (... that's one of the main reasons why they are there), or upgrade to full MIR Pro, which allows for free positioning of all instruments on all stages.

Kind regards,

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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 18:21
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868

... just to underpin my statement with a popular example (several 100 million listeners! 8-) ...)  from the recent past - the Vienna New Year's Concert 2014:

-> http://www.tt.com/kultur/musik/7676415-91/neujahrskonzert-2014-barenboims-philharmonischer-friedensappell.csp 

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 18:23
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1134

 Perhaps it's a recent trend, but I've never seen an orchestra setup that way, either in the US or in Europe...

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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 18:24
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868

Please see my previous message.

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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 20:35
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

Bill wrote:
Perhaps it's a recent trend, but I've never seen an orchestra setup that way, either in the US or in Europe...
 

Since several years I have a concert abo in the Konzerthaus Großer Saal named "Orchestra International" with up to ten concerts per year.

Here I have the chance to listen to national and internaional top orchestras like Vienna, New York, Berlin Philaharmonics, performing in the same venue (the main venue which is also available for MIR and MIRx)

I have seen basses on each location you might imagine on the stage: left, right, in front, back and very often placed in the middle.

Usually concerts with basses in the middle are sonically the better ones. By the way my seating place is also exactly in the middle of the hall. I don't give Dietz advises where he should place the basses for any of his factory setups. But it's not surprising for me that he has chosen exactly this position.

best

Herb

Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 20:43
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1134

Thanks Herb. I assume the seating arrangement is the choice of the conductor? Sadly, 1986 was the last time I sat (stood, actually) in the Konzerthaus Großer Saal.

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Posted on Wed, Mar 05 2014 20:54
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

I think so. For me it tells a lot about the priorities of a conductor seeing his choice of instruments placements. Glockenspiel and snare drum are usually the best prove of quality for me. There are placements in Konzerthaus Grosser Saal where these instruments are sounding penetrant, and there are placements where they match perfectly with the orchestra.

But I understand perfectly when a symphony orchestra is doing a kind of world tour, that the conductor cannot optimise the seatings for each concert and venue.

best

Herb

Posted on Thu, Mar 06 2014 00:49
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1134

Perhaps this will be a future MIR feature, where you choose the venue, then choose the conductor Drinks

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Posted on Thu, Mar 06 2014 11:39
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868
Bill wrote:

Perhaps this will be a future MIR feature, where you choose the venue, then choose the conductor Drinks

We work on it!! ;-D

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Posted on Fri, Mar 07 2014 21:04
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1134

Shouldn't the wet/dry slider be one of the parameters that can be synchronized? I could have sworn that it used to work that way...

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