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Posted on Tue, Mar 25 2014 05:10
by KeyboardGuy
Joined on Wed, Mar 03 2010, Santa Barbara, CA, Posts 23
This is redundant to the other item, so apologies, but I wanted to focus on just one question: I'm trying to choose between the new MacPro 3.5 GHz 6-core OR the 3.0 GHz 8-core. The latter is much more expensive, yet perhaps more powerful. Considering VSL, which machine would be better, or will it make significant difference in the usage of VSL for a large orchestra? (In either case, I'm going to max out Memory, 64GB and Storage, 1TB.)

Thanks. Apologies again for the repeat.

-William
Posted on Tue, Mar 25 2014 08:51
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649

Are you going to use MIR PRO ? in stereo ? 5.1 ? 7.1 ?

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Tue, Mar 25 2014 09:22
by KeyboardGuy
Joined on Wed, Mar 03 2010, Santa Barbara, CA, Posts 23
MIR PRO eventually, so want to plan ahead for eventual use. Stereo yes. New to VSL, and I've realized quickly that my present setup is inadequate (e.g., too much latency and nowhere near enough power). Hence, the question. Apple-based; don't want to change. DP8. My present project is a piano concerto, using the Vienna Imperial with a medium-sized orchestra (so MIR will definitely be desirable at some point).
Posted on Tue, Mar 25 2014 09:48
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649

If you plan to use MIR, either a master slave or a BIG master configuration is necessary

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sat, Mar 29 2014 15:10
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1046

Cyril,

Did you notice any lag on your system when you upgraded to Mavericks? Did you do a clean install or just downloaded and installed on previous OS? I know you have a formidable system but on mine (which is also not that bad - iMac 3.4 Quad 16 GB) even Safari windows or changing from one account to the next (let alone Sibelius), I am experiencing slight delays. All programs (except Logic 8 which I am not using), is upgraded to its latest version.

Any advice?

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Sun, Mar 30 2014 07:45
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649

Hello Errikos

Since I have move to my new studio and upgrade to Mavericks, my test song is issuing pop, crackels.

Working on this yesterday I discovered that one of my Raid 0 of SSD was not working anymore

I have to work more on my problem

I will report later

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sun, Mar 30 2014 15:07
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1046

Thanks for getting back Cyril,

Since writing my post my computer gave up completely. Suddenly my graphics card gave up (grey screen with slim vertical lines), and yes I know my iMac model has this problem world wide and Apple is replacing graphics cards for free, but mine JUST happened to destroy itself as I upgraded. Coincidence? I don't think so... For the few minutes at a time that my computer works before it freezes, it is excruciatingly slow.

I think Steve Jobs was the one they needed in there with his perfectionist whip to see things through. They are fast becoming another Vista kind of programming environment. Lazy, incompetent. 

I will await your experiences with great anticipation. Good luck!

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Sun, Mar 30 2014 16:16
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649

I have found a guity cable esata to sata

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sun, Mar 30 2014 20:23
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1046

I am happy for you at least; sadly it doesn't help my situation...

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Mon, Mar 31 2014 04:20
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649

I have not replaced it yet, so they my be other problems.

I do not agree with you when you say :

>They are fast becoming another Vista kind of programming environment. Lazy, incompetent. 

If you are not happy with Mavericks you can always go back to ML

Did you check your memory ?

Did you check your disks ?

Did you repair permissions ?

Did you look at the memory usage ? is the swap used ?


MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Mon, Mar 31 2014 12:53
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1046

Sprry to hear that...

But really? I hear it is an absolute bitch to revert to Lion (which was my OS until a few days ago, and the OS that was originally installed in my computer by Apple). I have done all the checks you mentioned except the 'swap' thing which I don't know what it is. From what I read on the Internet though it sounds like a utility which kicks in when the computer is struggling for RAM. I didn't attempt to do anything near intensive, I just tried to open programs like Safari or change accounts, and the lag was scary, and has become scarier since.

I do believe since Jobs' serious illness, withdrawal, and ultimate demise that Apple is becoming another Microsoft slowly. Even if he had approved some of the moves Apple has made recently, I believe his sound judgement and certainly the austerity that resulted in the wonderful products we knew, was gone. 

Apple had no business creating ML after Lion - and certainly not Mavericks (Mavericks?!?!? Really?!?! what happened to continuing with the big cats, like Sabertooth!), unless it was for the purpose of making a giant iPhone out of our desktops and towers. Maps?!?! Notifications?!?!?!? Game Centre and iBooks?!?!?!?!? Yeah, really useful stuff for anybody other than a metrosexual mid-management worker and his laptop, and fashion conscious girls who just have to tweet through a smart-phone. Huge amounts of people are complaining about Mavericks in the Apple forum, it's just that I was stupid enough not to have checked it before I upgraded in order to use the new Logic - which by the way, why shouldn't it run on Lion as well? 

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Mon, Mar 31 2014 15:15
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370

Mavericks is a piece of shit Eric. Do as Cyril suggests and get Mountain Lion in there. And think yourself lucky you don't have a Fusion Drive. Another piece of crap.

Upgrade to Logic X and let me know how you find it.

Posted on Tue, Apr 01 2014 00:42
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1046

My beautiful iMac i7 3.4 - which I specifically bought before Apple brought out the new abominations without the separate IDE and flash, but with fusion drives instead, and with no DVD drive - came with Lion installed. Now Mavericks has cleaned out Lion completely, and the meagre €2,500 I spent on this computer (including €170 I paid Crucial for RAM), wasn't enough for Apple apparently to send the machine to me with a ******* DVD of the OS in it.

Now it\s not that I really mind buying ML for €15, but I don't know what it will take to force feed it to this Mavericks tainted machine. I read that a requirement for ML is that the computer already has Lion on it. Apple and the Mavericks upgrade have left me with few options!... As if it would be too much trouble for THEM to leave some flexibility in all this, and let US decide whether and when to upgrade, after we have gotten the Mavericks sour taste, it hasn't occurred to them we might want to revert...  - and of course miss out on important features like Maps, Notifications, iMessages etc.......

By the way, did Budleigh survive the torrential deluges of late?

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Tue, Apr 01 2014 02:08
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649

You run your song,

You can send me screen copy of the Activity monitor (cpu memory and disk) at : cb dot pub at numericable dot com so I look at them

You can make your own DVD.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1167857/how_to_make_a_bootable_mountain_lion_install_drive.html

http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

What I will do

Split your disk into a second partition

Instal ML and Logic on it

And do some tests

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Tue, Apr 01 2014 13:20
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1046

Thanks Cyril, I may take you up on that, once Apple replaces the faulty graphics card, for only mentalists can work on my system now...

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Tue, Apr 01 2014 20:53
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
Errikos wrote:

By the way, did Budleigh survive the torrential deluges of late?

Not really. Part of the cliff collapsed on the Jurasic coastline at Budleigh. And Thurlestone had the same issues. I was in Thurlestone all day today and the coastal erosion is all too apparent.

The new iMacs should have all been recalled, but that would affect Apples share price, so they just deny there's a problem. 

That said, looking forward to getting an iMac one day once I'm confident like a lot of other people. A lot of people I see around the music forums are saying more or less the same thing.

Posted on Thu, Apr 03 2014 16:37
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649

Good new my Macpro is back and running smothely with Maverick.

My Macpro had two problems taking ages to boot and playing a lot of pops crackels ;

- I had a faulty cable on one of my Sata III raid 0 of ssd and those d... sata plug does not stay in place

- The Wifi was on.

Playing my test song in 5.1 with buffer in Logic set to 512, the CPU is idle between 60 to 85 %, my big template is set with preload buffer at the minimum

I still have a little problem, there is 3 or 4 pops on that 26 minute piece.

I have noticed in Logic only core 1 and 12 are playing

If I reduce the buffer to 64 in Logic, the Idle is still  between 60 to 85 %, but I only get crackles

I have seen that there is a new parameter in MIR : the impulse buffer that is a 3 GB, should I increase it ?

Why do I still have those pops if I still have 60 % idle

Is there is a utility that show acurely the load on each core ?

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Apr 04 2014 23:09
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1046

@Cyril: Good to see that everything is working for you Cyril. I just had my local Apple reseller change my faulty graphics card, now I am emptying my hard drive, reformatting it, and will try and run ML for a while.

@Paul: Sorry to hear that Paul, but glad you're alright.

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Sat, Apr 05 2014 00:26
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649
Errikos wrote:

@Cyril: Good to see that everything is working for you Cyril. I just had my local Apple reseller change my faulty graphics card, now I am emptying my hard drive, reformatting it, and will try and run ML for a while.

You do not need to reformat, you create a partition to install ML 

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sat, Apr 05 2014 12:41
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2649
Errikos wrote:

@Cyril: Good to see that everything is working for you Cyril.

I still have those 4 pops, I have post at  I hope they have an idea of what is happening 

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
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