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Vienna Imperial and Kawai VPC1
Last post Fri, Jul 04 2014 by William, 9 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jun 24 2014 02:10
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 669

Hi,

I'm thinking to buy the holy grail of the 88 weighted keys keyboard, the Kawai VPC1(http://www.keyboardmag.com/gear/1183/kawai-vpc-1-reviewed/29582) for my favorite piano, the Vienna Imperial.

2 questions:

-Will there ever be a VPC1 touch curve preset for the Vienna Imperial?

-Does the Vienna imperial reacts to the release velocity and does it makes a noticeable difference?

If you think of a any better controller for acoustic piano, under 2000$, let me know. But I really doubt.

Thanks

Fred

Fred

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Posted on Fri, Jun 27 2014 17:36
by dbudde
Joined on Sun, Mar 02 2003, Seattle,WA USA, Posts 450

I'm guessing that lack of an official response to your questions, means that the answers are no and no.

For what it's worth, I have both a VPC-1 and Imperial.  They work well together.  I never understood why people are so enamored with "approved touch curves".  It's just someone's opinion about what represents the best.  I just use the straight line version.  And you can always make one if the existing curves don't work well for you.  

With regard to your second question, I suspect there is no release velocity control, but Imperial does have different samples based on how short the notes are.  This should approximate the same result that one could get from a library that does react to release velocity.

Posted on Fri, Jun 27 2014 17:44
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 669

Thanks dbudde,

So you are really satisfied with the VPC1? No music stores have received it in my city so I can't try it yet.

Fred

Fred

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Posted on Fri, Jun 27 2014 17:49
by dbudde
Joined on Sun, Mar 02 2003, Seattle,WA USA, Posts 450

Yes.  Very happy with the VPC-1.

Posted on Thu, Jul 03 2014 22:35
by mazeka
Joined on Thu, Feb 08 2007, USA, Posts 241

Hi.

You should check out 

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/stagepianos/cp4_stage/?mode=model

The keyshave three sensors, no need to wait for the key to travel all the way up to retriger the next note, just like a grand piano.

Posted on Thu, Jul 03 2014 23:42
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600
mazeka wrote:

Hi.

You should check out 

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/stagepianos/cp4_stage/?mode=model

The keyshave three sensors, no need to wait for the key to travel all the way up to retriger the next note, just like a grand piano.


The Kawai VPC1 has a triple sensor contact system as well, so does their MP7 and MP11 pianos as well.

The trouble with Yamaha pianos (CP4), is that they still only offer plastic black keys - it is only the white keys that are wood !! ?

Posted on Fri, Jul 04 2014 02:56
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

I have a CP4 and the key action is totally the same whether you are on a white key or black.  Are you sure about that?  So if the black are plastic - shocking news flash ! - it is totally non detectable.  It is the best keyboard I ever played including many real grand pianos.

Posted on Fri, Jul 04 2014 11:10
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600
William wrote:

I have a CP4 and the key action is totally the same whether you are on a white key or black.  Are you sure about that?  So if the black are plastic - shocking news flash ! - it is totally non detectable.  It is the best keyboard I ever played including many real grand pianos.

Yes,  I don't know why Yamaha persevere with plastic black keys,  but they have been doing that for a while,

the only give away clue that Yamaha offer is in their spec sheet which is subtly worded as:-

Note the disclaimer at the end of the line.

Posted on Fri, Jul 04 2014 15:59
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

I see - that was sneaky of them.  I'll switch to white key music from now on.

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