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Natural volume with MIRx
Last post Fri, Jul 18 2014 by Dietz, 5 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Jul 16 2014 16:15
by Shawn Gibson
Joined on Tue, Sep 23 2008, Toronto, Posts 187
Hi guys, I always have left natural volume off and I ride the CC7 controller in Cubase to get the levels I like for each instrument, each part - it changes a lot, obviously. As an experiment, I turned on natural volume and removed all of my controller changes, but the result was very bizarre. For example, I couldn't even hear the solo violin when trombones and other huge instruments were playing. Am I missing the concept here or is using natural volume more than 'set it and forget it to make it sound like it would in an actual orchestra setting'? If the orchestra is playing is a solo violin totally drowned out (just as an obvious example for someone -me- who obviously doesn't have any real orchestra experience)?


Even setting the velocity very low on the bigger instruments and very high on a solo violin (again as an example) it is barely audible. I think I'm misusing natural volume...
Eternal Nube with a passion for all-things VSL.
Posted on Thu, Jul 17 2014 13:40
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7412

There's not much you can make wrong when using Natural Volume. The two (or actually three) things to keep in mind are:

1. Natural Volume makes only sense when it gets used for all instruments of an arrangement.

2. Due to the huge dynamic range covered by the different instruments of an orchestra, most instruments bar a very few have to be set to surprisingly low volumes, to allow for the necessary headroom of the few loud ones. If your arrengement  seems to be too quiet then, either raise the volume*) of all instruments by the same amount, or simply bring up your master bus' volume to meaningful levels.

3. Natural Volume is meant to be used as a starting point. Don't expect this feature to be the answer to all your mixing tasks.

*) "Raising the volume" is not the same as "using a louder dynamic layer"!

BTW - this is what MIRx' Manual tells us about Natural Volume on p.11:

Quote:

NATURAL VOLUME

> If you are writing for a full orchestra with full dynamics (ppp to fff), Natural Volume will provide you with a great starting point for your mix.

> Natural Volume will also help to adjust the relations between instruments quickly.

> E.g., if your loudest instrument is at a Natural Volume level of -10dB (Vienna Horn):

1) you can set this instrument at 0dB in your mixer

2) and add 10 dB to the natural volume value of all other instruments.

> If you are writing a very quiet piece, you can raise the levels accordingly!

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jul 17 2014 14:48
by Shawn Gibson
Joined on Tue, Sep 23 2008, Toronto, Posts 187
Thanks Dietz. Well it seems I should give this another go. I really want my work to sound 'live' or approximately live. I was definitely guilty of having very high levels and maybe that was the problem. I'll read the manual now, too...my bad:(
Eternal Nube with a passion for all-things VSL.
Posted on Thu, Jul 17 2014 22:53
by Shawn Gibson
Joined on Tue, Sep 23 2008, Toronto, Posts 187
I read the manual, read your words, and watched the video, then went back into my project. What a phenomenal difference a little knowledge makes. MIRx rocks...thanks Dietz.
Eternal Nube with a passion for all-things VSL.
Posted on Fri, Jul 18 2014 08:51
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7412

;-D .... you're very welcome. Glad to hear that you're up and running now!

All the best,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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