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VE, Cubase Expression Maps, and Polyphonic Voices
Last post Tue, Nov 04 2014 by johnstaf, 7 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Oct 31 2014 13:18
by johncmurphy
Joined on Mon, Oct 13 2014, Posts 18
Is Vienna Ensemble able to handle the use of Cubase Expression Maps with polyphonic notation in the Cubase Score Editor?

Specifically, I have two flutes in one MIDI track, with each flute assigned to its own polyphonic voice in the Score Editor settings. The MIDI track is routed to an instance of VE which contains two instances of the Flute VST, on MIDI channels 1 and 2. The signal routing occurs correctly, with each instance (channel) only receiving the MIDI notes from their respective voices, but the Expression Map assigned to the track only seems to work for the first instance (channel 1), meaning I can see the patches changing in the matrix view.
But the second voice (channel 2) stays stuck on the patch all the time...
Posted on Fri, Oct 31 2014 14:18
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3662

Hello John!

Of course Vienna Ensemble is able to receive MIDI data on different channels simultaneously. As far as I can see, the culprit is Cubase. Wink  VST Expressions cannot be assigned to channels individually. So they work on the channel that's set up for the track and if the track is set to "All" MIDI channels, they work on channel 1.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Oct 31 2014 15:44
by johncmurphy
Joined on Mon, Oct 13 2014, Posts 18
So is there any software other than Cubase that would allow me to easily control the VSL articulations from the notation (score) editor?
Posted on Sat, Nov 01 2014 08:38
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3662

You could use notation software like Sibelius or Finale instead, but keep in mind that notation programs usually can't offer as detailed MIDI editing and mixing tools as DAW software like Cubase.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Nov 03 2014 18:09
by johnstaf
Joined on Thu, Apr 21 2011, EI, Posts 216

If you have two voices on one staff, have you applied the expression to both voices in the score editor?

Cubase (OS agnostic). Various VSL bits and pieces.

Posted on Mon, Nov 03 2014 19:39
by johncmurphy
Joined on Mon, Oct 13 2014, Posts 18
johnstaf wrote:

If you have two voices on one staff, have you applied the expression to both voices in the score editor?



Yes, and that is not the problem. The expression message is not getting transmitted to any channel in VE except MIDI channel 1, as evidenced by the failure of the patches in the matrix to change during playback.
I get around this by creating separate channels for each voice of each instrument, but that means a lot of extra staves in the score.
Posted on Tue, Nov 04 2014 16:29
by johnstaf
Joined on Thu, Apr 21 2011, EI, Posts 216

You can send expressions to multiple channels at the same time, but you need to have a duplicate made for each of those channels.

I don't know your priorities or circumstances, but I'd go with different staves unless you really have to do otherwise -it gets messy very quickly.

Cubase (OS agnostic). Various VSL bits and pieces.

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