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Dimension violas demo "Autumn Tears" (Score added)
Last post Mon, Dec 01 2014 by nektarios, 25 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Nov 08 2014 02:43
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

I haven't posted sampled demos in some time, even though I kept producing them regularly, but I thought of posting one this time. It is for violas only,  It's called "Autumn Tears". Hope you enjoy it!

Dimension Violas

Posted on Sat, Nov 08 2014 16:30
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 335

I like it very much. I was listening to the music, not the library. I think that says it all, and actually speaks for both. Thanks for sharing this.

Posted on Sun, Nov 09 2014 07:51
by woy
Joined on Sun, Oct 31 2004, Monaco, Posts 44

Impeccable as usual, and musically hugely enjoyable.

Thanks,

Roy

Posted on Tue, Nov 11 2014 18:03
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5726

That is beautiful - the melancholy theme is perfect for violas.

Posted on Sat, Nov 15 2014 14:06
by Waldschrahdt
Joined on Thu, Nov 13 2014, Posts 2
Hallo Guy,

congratulations and many thanks for this example! It's a very impressing peace of (Viola-)music and surely I enjoyed it very much (and will do in future, too).

Best wishes and greetings!
Posted on Mon, Nov 17 2014 21:26
by pudik
Joined on Wed, Sep 10 2014, USA, Posts 21

Beautiful demo and great mixing. I am currently having trouble with all high strings: harsh and with parasitic high harmonics in the 4K-7K area. Can't seem to be able to filter them out. They completely spoil my melodic lines. Your demo is perfectly clean. I'd like to download it to play on my system. Any possibility for that to happen? 

Thanks, John.

Posted on Tue, Nov 18 2014 19:41
by Dominique
Joined on Fri, Aug 08 2008, Posts 181
pudik wrote:

I am currently having trouble with all high strings: harsh and with parasitic high harmonics in the 4K-7K area.

Especially the violins are a bit steely for my taste too. One thing that worked quite well for me but that is maybe not so obvious is some subtle deessing.

Posted on Tue, Nov 18 2014 21:13
by pudik
Joined on Wed, Sep 10 2014, USA, Posts 21

Thanks, John.

Dominique wrote:

pudik wrote:

I am currently having trouble with all high strings: harsh and with parasitic high harmonics in the 4K-7K area.

Especially the violins are a bit steely for my taste too. One thing that worked quite well for me but that is maybe not so obvious is some subtle deessing.

Yeah, I went the route of deessing, but used only free ones, not too good. Can you recommend some or the one you've used?

Posted on Tue, Nov 18 2014 22:06
by Dominique
Joined on Fri, Aug 08 2008, Posts 181

Let's talk through pm to keep this thread on topic.

Posted on Tue, Nov 18 2014 22:43
by pudik
Joined on Wed, Sep 10 2014, USA, Posts 21

Oh, my, I finally found the Inbox button near the Login slot. Stupid me. Let's communicate via 'pm' then.

Thank you for your gracious offer, John.

Posted on Wed, Nov 19 2014 14:25
by nektarios
Joined on Tue, Nov 19 2013, New Jersey, United States, Posts 489

 Beautiful!

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Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 14:03
by pudik
Joined on Wed, Sep 10 2014, USA, Posts 21

Nektarios, what is beautiful, the demo or the fact that I finally found the Inbox button, or both? J.

Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 15:24
by nektarios
Joined on Tue, Nov 19 2013, New Jersey, United States, Posts 489

 The demo of course! Smile

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Cubase 11, Windows 11 @ 128 GB RAM
Dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W @ 3.10GHz
Synchron Strings I (Full)
Synchron Strings Pro (Full)
Synchron Elite Strings (Full)
Synchron Brass
Dimension Strings (Full)
Chamber Strings I+II (Full)
Appassionata Strings I+II (Full)
Orchestral Strings I+II (Full)
Solo Strings I (Full)
Vienna Imperial
Saxophones (Full)
Woodwinds I (Full)
Brass II (Full)
Dimension Brass (Full)
Upright Bass
Percussion (Full)
Overdrive
Jazz Drums
Vienna Choir
Soprano Choir
Solo Voices (Full)
Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 19:07
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Thanks a lot for your comments guys! 

Hey John, about your high strings problems, in the Perform you have Exp-Filter, play with that, I find filtering here and there with the right dosage makes a nice difference. Harshness also comes from when notes are too well tuned, especially with accents, but you probably already know that, and an important rule of thumb, never make 2 notes start at the same time. Be carefull that your string dynamics don't all peak exactly at the same point, you'll get undesired frequencies, when dealing with high strings. etc. 

Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 19:28
by nektarios
Joined on Tue, Nov 19 2013, New Jersey, United States, Posts 489

I just learned a few new things... Why should we not make two notes start at the same time? My notes tend to be 100% quantized, and I use the huminization feature (at max) for any delays and the humanized factor.

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Cubase 11, Windows 11 @ 128 GB RAM
Dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W @ 3.10GHz
Synchron Strings I (Full)
Synchron Strings Pro (Full)
Synchron Elite Strings (Full)
Synchron Brass
Dimension Strings (Full)
Chamber Strings I+II (Full)
Appassionata Strings I+II (Full)
Orchestral Strings I+II (Full)
Solo Strings I (Full)
Vienna Imperial
Saxophones (Full)
Woodwinds I (Full)
Brass II (Full)
Dimension Brass (Full)
Upright Bass
Percussion (Full)
Overdrive
Jazz Drums
Vienna Choir
Soprano Choir
Solo Voices (Full)
Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 19:36
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Very simple, because as crazy as it may sound, imperfections are a huge part of the beauty in music.

Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 19:45
by nektarios
Joined on Tue, Nov 19 2013, New Jersey, United States, Posts 489

 Thank you Guy! Made a note on that. Smile

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Cubase 11, Windows 11 @ 128 GB RAM
Dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W @ 3.10GHz
Synchron Strings I (Full)
Synchron Strings Pro (Full)
Synchron Elite Strings (Full)
Synchron Brass
Dimension Strings (Full)
Chamber Strings I+II (Full)
Appassionata Strings I+II (Full)
Orchestral Strings I+II (Full)
Solo Strings I (Full)
Vienna Imperial
Saxophones (Full)
Woodwinds I (Full)
Brass II (Full)
Dimension Brass (Full)
Upright Bass
Percussion (Full)
Overdrive
Jazz Drums
Vienna Choir
Soprano Choir
Solo Voices (Full)
Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 20:11
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 335
nektarios wrote:

I just learned a few new things... Why should we not make two notes start at the same time? My notes tend to be 100% quantized, and I use the huminization feature (at max) for any delays and the humanized factor.

I couldn't work with maxed out humanizations scalers. It really sounds out of whack that way. The tuning is way off, like a student band, and a maxed out delay scaler just makes the timing of the attacks very unpredictable and sloppy-sounding. That's not the kind of humanisation one should be after, IMO.

I like to offset the starting points of notes and the dynamic curves purposefully - for example when I'm trying to give a passage of short notes a "behind" or "ahead" of the beat type of feel.  Sometimes, I want single notes of different instruments to be completely locked-in and "dead on" - on other notes or accents, I might want a little more rubbing. You can't rely on randomized attack delay to achieve that, and I certainly can't let humanization get in the way of how I intend things to sound.

In fact, one of the reasons I tend to use VSL stuff as the backbone of everything I do is the fact that the programming and editing has been done in such a way that the samples do what I want, how I want it, most of the time. Cranking the delay humanisation would kind of defeat the purpose. Not all sampled instruments are that reliable. A lot of them sound gorgeous, but  some of them are all over the place, timing- and dynamics-wise. I hate that, and I find it annoying having to work around erratic attack and buildup times of the samples, especially with short notes.

I love the humanization features of VI Pro, but I tend to dial them in moderately, just for some variation of performance.

Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 20:39
by nektarios
Joined on Tue, Nov 19 2013, New Jersey, United States, Posts 489

hmm maybe I'll dial the huminization down a bit. Because I don't play any instrument and don't compose with a keyboard, I literally write my melodies directly on the midi editor note by note. It would slow me down tremendously if I had to add the human delay in all notes. Maybe use a midi plugin to add some "swing" automatically? Wondering if this is an ok approach.

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Cubase 11, Windows 11 @ 128 GB RAM
Dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W @ 3.10GHz
Synchron Strings I (Full)
Synchron Strings Pro (Full)
Synchron Elite Strings (Full)
Synchron Brass
Dimension Strings (Full)
Chamber Strings I+II (Full)
Appassionata Strings I+II (Full)
Orchestral Strings I+II (Full)
Solo Strings I (Full)
Vienna Imperial
Saxophones (Full)
Woodwinds I (Full)
Brass II (Full)
Dimension Brass (Full)
Upright Bass
Percussion (Full)
Overdrive
Jazz Drums
Vienna Choir
Soprano Choir
Solo Voices (Full)
Posted on Fri, Nov 21 2014 20:52
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 335

It is a ridiculously time-consuming process. My life would be so much easier if I didn't have to spend countless hours on editing the living hell out of every single piece I write. :) Proficient keyboard players definitely have a huge advantage. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them, as I come from the guitar. I do try and play some parts on the keyboard, but my very limited playing ability obviously forces me to klick in notes in the piano editor most of the time.

I work in Cubase and the MIDI editor in there does have some really nice randomization and "swing" options, but again, it's a random thing, and while it can be useful in some situations, it's not the right solution for passages where one has a specific kind of "imperfection" in mind.

Sometimes, I stop and think about this whole "music with samples" thing we're doing and it's really shocking - such an absurdly nerdy, crazily obsessive way to spend our time. :)

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