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SSD Drives with New Mac Pro and VE Pro / DP8
Last post Wed, Nov 12 2014 by Macgort, 6 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Nov 11 2014 00:52
by Chris T
Joined on Fri, Mar 23 2012, Posts 39
I just got the new Mac Pro 12-Core with 64GB of RAM. I run DP 8 and VE Ens Pro server (for sounds). The internal drive I have is 500GB, so I was planning on just running programs, synth libraries (e.g. NI, Omnisphere, Stylus RMX etc) and Movies off the internal, with the rest of my sound libraries (East-West Orch, LASS, Cinesamples etc) on Exernal Thunderbolt drives. I'm planning to run DP Work sessions (including audio) on an 2nd external TB drive, with two more large externals for my backups / clones. (backups would be just regular SATA).

My question is: Is there a consensus on the best means and location for storing Sample libraries and Work sessions?

A lot of folks like the TB RAID drives (e.g. G-Tech / Pegasus RAID etc), however these are traditional SATA drives. Why would these be any better than SSD drives to run samples & sessions? I assume it's just the COST of 1TB SSDs that prevents people from going all SSD for external storage - am I correct?

Also, assuming SSDs are the better / faster option, can anyone recommend the best way to hook them up? Should I do just do individual TB cables or a 2-drive SSD enclosure with 1TB cable? If I get enclosure, might this not cause a bottleneck since at least 2 drives at once could be trying to access the same TB connection?…

Your thoughts on External storage / Performance for the NEw Mac Pro would be most appreciated!

(also any OS Yosemite issues I should be aware of re. DP8 / general VIs / plugs. I have most of the big ones..).

Thnx
Posted on Tue, Nov 11 2014 18:02
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2636

The best to the worse place to store your samples, especially VSL ones (The best is to run the BlackMagic disk speed test )

- Raid 0 of Apple internal SSD

- Internal Apple internal SSD

- Raid of SSD on a PCI card (check the speed before to buy)

- SSD on a PCI card (check the speed before to buy)

- On a Sata III card, Raid 0 of SSD

- On a Sata III card, SSD

- On a Sata II card, Raid 0 of SSD

- On a Sata II card, Raid of HD (Raptor ........) > 10 000 rpm

- On a Sata II card, Raid of 7200 rpm

To forget :

- FW800 HD

- FW 400 HD

- USB 1 & 2 HD

- 5400 rpm disks

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
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Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
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Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
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Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Tue, Nov 11 2014 20:32
by Macgort
Joined on Tue, Apr 14 2009, France, Posts 33

Hello, I just buy an external Thunderbolt Akitio SSD 2To (2x1 To) to put all VSL library (and others). If I understand what you say : Create a raid 0 is better than two separates disk ? 

MacPro 8 core 3Ghz, 16 Go. MacBook pro I7, 2,6 Ghz, 16Go. 2To Akito SSD Thunderbolt. Appolo Twin. Protools, Sibelius, Symphonic Cube, almost all VSL library and software and a lot of other library...
Posted on Wed, Nov 12 2014 01:21
by Chris T
Joined on Fri, Mar 23 2012, Posts 39
Thinking about it I'd be fine with the 500GB internal to store my CURRENT work projects. I can just archive old projects more often to external SATAs so as to free up room on my internal SSD.

My only concern would be, which would be most taxing on my system of these two options:

1. Run work off the internal SSD (which is also being accessed for Apps - i.e. DP / VEP, AND running heavy plugins (e.g. Altiverb etc), AND running Video. or,

2. Run work off an external (500 or 1TB) SSD, either in a 4-drive TB enclosure or in its own dedicated enclosure, since I'll also be running sounds from another drive in that enclosure, so wouldn't want to tax the system that way.

Any opinions?
Posted on Wed, Nov 12 2014 04:11
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2636
Macgort wrote:

 If I understand what you say : Create a raid 0 is better than two separates disk ? 

Yes for the Libs it is an advantage as this should gain I/O traffic by 1.5 ; allowing to reduce pre-load buffer size

but be carefull, if you have a problem on one disk you loose both, so backup it contents on a normal HD

The advantage of a Raid 0 on the Libs is that they hardly changes so you are not fregmenting you Raid

I will not put my system on a Raid 0 but on a Raid 1, mine is on a separate 64 GB SSD

For storing songs :

1) Your song only contains MIDI, use a normal HD

2) Your song contains a lot of audio track ; this will depends of the number of audio track, you may have to put this song on a raid 1 of HD 10 000 rpm or on a SSD

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Wed, Nov 12 2014 09:43
by Macgort
Joined on Tue, Apr 14 2009, France, Posts 33

Thank's Cyril ! Let's go to Raid 0 ! For information, this HD is destinate to a nomad use. I alway's got about 2 copy off all my MacPro's HD in two places in France. Data's copy is the rule number one ! And Time Machine is the best for your système... But i'm far of the sujet, sorry... Big Smile Just one thing : Akitio's fan in verry loud ! I just unscrew it...

MacPro 8 core 3Ghz, 16 Go. MacBook pro I7, 2,6 Ghz, 16Go. 2To Akito SSD Thunderbolt. Appolo Twin. Protools, Sibelius, Symphonic Cube, almost all VSL library and software and a lot of other library...
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