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  • UPDATE: Comfortable Multiport Template for Logic PRO X 10.1 available

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    Dear Logic & Vienna Ensemble PRO 5 users,

    We have just uploaded the brandnew 16 Port Multiport Template Song for Logic X PRO 10.1 or higher!

    • Up to 256 MIDI Channels available within 1 VE PRO instance (without using Event Input Plug-ins!!)
    • No more dropouts and hanging notes due to the increased internal buffer size since Logic PRO X 10.1

    Check out the great overview in this starting template, conveniently organized with Track Stacks and documented in the updated VE PRO 5 manual (page 45).

    Best,
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Hello Paul

     

    Great new, many thanks. Does it perform better than IAC ?

     

    Now to be a very happy Logic user, we need Expression Maps for Logic ;)

     

    A Question for you or for Martin  :

    When you are programing an AU do you have acces to the Meta data of Logic

     

    Best

    Cyril


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Hi Paul, and anyone else who might be replying.  Thanks for this post.  I'm just getting VE Pro 5 up and running for the first time - with my main Mac running Logic 10.1.1 and 2 slave computers.  I've been reading the (updated) manual and watching some online videos too.  I've had a multi-computer set up for a while but I'm new to VE Pro.  I couldn't tell if I should definitely be using this new multiport environment, or maybe the older method of using I/O plugins in Logic to force Live mode.  It sounds like the main drawback of the old method might be having all of the Live mode channels running on a single CPU core.  I'll have a big Logic template with at least several hundred tracks so I'm guessing that might cause problems.  And it sounds like the main drawback of the new system is that you can't use any Audio input plugins (but I'm guessing you could still use those with a separate instance of VEPro that uses the old method? - you could mix and match instances within the same Logic session?)  And then I'm reading that the old method might be causing "dropouts and hanging notes" in Logic 10.1.

    So my questions are:  Is this new multiport template the best way to go?  Are there any other significant drawbacks I'm missing?  And also, is it pretty straightforward to import that environment layer (maybe twice, once for each slave computer) into a new template I'm creating?

    Thanks for the help!

    Tim


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    @rilesmusic said:

    Hi Paul, and anyone else who might be replying.  Thanks for this post.  I'm just getting VE Pro 5 up and running for the first time - with my main Mac running Logic 10.1.1 and 2 slave computers.  

     

    Can you give details of your computers, disks, where are your libs.....


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Sure Cyril.  Here's what I'm working with:

    MacPro (late 2013 model), 12-core 2.7GHz, 64GB RAM, OS 10.9.5;  UAD Apollo audio interface;  Logic Pro 10.1.1;  libraries on 2 1TB SSD drives (on a PCIe card in a Sonnet Echo Express III, connected with Thunderbolt) and 2 3TB USB3 drives

    Slave 1:  PC Intel Core i7, 4-core 3.07GHz, 24GB RAM, Windows 7 Pro;  running mainly EastWest Play stuff

    Slave 2:  older Intel MacPro, 4-core 2.66GHz, 16GB RAM, OS 10.6.8 (VEPro seems to be working fine on this OS);  multiple drives and libraries

    All the computers have VE Pro 5 (latest version) installed and they all seem to be playing well with each other.  (Before I was using MIDI over LAN and bigger audio interfaces to connect the computers in my setup.)  I'm not sure if I'll be running VEPro (beyond the server) on my master computer - it may only be running on the 2 slaves.  I'll be using a lot of Kontakt instances and lots of different libraries.

    I'm able to get sounds from the slave computers playing within Logic.  It's just that before I set up a big template, I want to decide which of the 2 methods for handling VEPro within Logic makes the most sense.  I'd hate to get 2 days into setting up a big orchestral+ template and then find out I'd gone the wrong direction and have to start over.  That might be very unlikely I know - just trying to find out what I can up front.

    I'm working now on doubling the environment in the template that Paul gave, so I can access both my slave computers that way.

    Thanks!

    Tim


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    The Idea I have with VSL is the main computer does nead to be the most powerfull.

    You can run Logic on your old MAC and use your faster MAC with the SSD as a slave. If you use MIR it is the best setup. 

    I use mainly VSL, and a few Kontakt, EXS and Omnisphere that I send as Audio tracks to MIR

    To avoid to have Hundreds of track I use Program Changes to send keyswitches 

    I have no expericence with Windows slaves.

     

    I use IAC and I have not tried the second version of the Multiport yet. VSL has not answered to my question ðŸ˜”

    I have just received my cables yesterday to set my 2 raids with 4 x ssd each, I think this is the direction to go ! I single fast computer with very quick disk acces 

    I will give you feed back next week as I dont want to touch my computer until after the saturday's rehersal I have with  my band (we use Mainstage3 for the keyboards)


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Thanks for this new multiport setup. I think it's really good. Would it be too hard to make some kind of a step by step istruction how it was built up? I'm using VE Pro on two computers and I'm trying to build up another similar set of instuments and ports to the same project in the Logic midi environment that I could then route to another software instrument track and through that to my slave computer.

    Is it clear what I'm trying to do here, is this message understandable?


  • Hello Paul and Community:  Using this new logic template : 

    1. Open instance of VE Pro and load a simple plugin instrument - ppg

    I loaded a simple ppg wave instrument in VEPro and assigned it midi port 1 and midi channel 1. It plays in Logic template VE Pro Midi port 1, on every sub midi channel  vep 01 1 to vep 01 16. It plays on all 16 midi channels in that midi port 1 section. If I assigned the ppg instrument in VEPro instance in VEPro Midi port 1, to anything other than midi channel 1 or omni, it does not play at all in Logic VE Pro Midi port 1 on any sub midi channel 1-16. 

    This is true for all the midi ports 1-16.

    Similary if I assign the instrument to midi port to 2 and midi channel 1 the ppg instrument in my example plays similarly on every channel 1-16 of VEPro Midi Port 2 in logic. If I assign any other midi channel it will not play in that port in logic. This is true for all VEPro Midi ports 1- 16 in the logic template. 

    Anyone had this trouble? I'm sure I'm doing something really stupid. Any ideas?

    Thanks

    Ray


  • Thank you for the template!

    How would I go about extending this template for more than one instance of VE Pro?


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    @anastasia said:

    Thank you for the template!

    How would I go about extending this template for more than one instance of VE Pro?

     

    This is exactly what I'd like to know too. Could someone please help with this?


  • Hello

    I have made one that use 2 x instance of VEP, one for port 1-8 and another for 9-16, the problem is that I am on holiday very far from my musical computer

    I can send it to you to give a trial, give me your email

     

    Best

     

    Cyril


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    @Cyril said:

    To avoid to have Hundreds of track I use Program Changes to send keyswitches 

    How are you doing this?


  • I do that with Logic's Environment

    It is simple to write an Environment where you say :

    If I receive a program change = to 1, I send C0

    .....

    Until B0

    Then you describe a Multi instrument

    Prog 1 = Staccato

    Prog 2 = Legato

    and so on


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Thanks for the template. I am new to Logic, having mostly used DP for years.

    I can get the 16 port template to work with one of my instances. However, in DP with the new MAS version of VEP, I can have 16 ports each on multiple instances. Is there any template in the works which will allow me to multiple instances, each with 16 ports? Please advise, because right now I am finding Logic limited in this regard. 


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    @Sami Boman said:

    Thanks for this new multiport setup. I think it's really good. Would it be too hard to make some kind of a step by step istruction how it was built up? I'm using VE Pro on two computers and I'm trying to build up another similar set of instuments and ports to the same project in the Logic midi environment that I could then route to another software instrument track and through that to my slave computer.

    Is it clear what I'm trying to do here, is this message understandable?

    Yes, it would be great to have these step-by-step instructions. Then I could do, as Sami said, assign a new set of ports to a different slave or to another instance in the current metaframe I am using. Please - would it at all be possible to show us how you created this template? Thanks.

    Charles


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    @Sami Boman said:

    Thanks for this new multiport setup. I think it's really good. Would it be too hard to make some kind of a step by step istruction how it was built up? I'm using VE Pro on two computers and I'm trying to build up another similar set of instuments and ports to the same project in the Logic midi environment that I could then route to another software instrument track and through that to my slave computer.

    Is it clear what I'm trying to do here, is this message understandable?

    Yes, it would be great to have these step-by-step instructions. Then I could do, as Sami said, assign a new set of ports to a different slave or to another instance in the current metaframe I am using. Please - would it at all be possible to show us how you created this template? Thanks.

    Charles

    In an upper post I have proposed you to test a version that is working with two slave.

    If this is working I could make a version with any number of slave.


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • I was able to copy, in the environment window, the existing template and allow 32 ports (412 channells). All is well, thanks! I do have a question for anyone regarding this template: It would appear that ALL channels are controlled by the master fader of the main instrument - there is no individual control for each MIDI channel. Does anyone know how to get individual volume fader control using this template? Thanks. 


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    @anastasia said:

    Thank you for the template!

    How would I go about extending this template for more than one instance of VE Pro?

     

    This is exactly what I'd like to know too. Could someone please help with this?

    Hello Anastasia - I have created a version with 2 16 port instances/ 512 MIDI channels. I'll send it to you if you wish. My problem is I can't seem to get individual fader control of each MIDI channel. Have you figured this out?

    Charles


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    @charles_30783 said:

    Hello Anastasia - I have created a version with 2 16 port instances/ 512 MIDI channels. I'll send it to you if you wish. My problem is I can't seem to get individual fader control of each MIDI channel. Have you figured this out?

    Charles

    you need to use CC 11 instead of CC 7

    You can convert your CC 7 to CC 11 by a transformer


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • I'll give it a shot, thanks. Does this mean that the channel faders will now be controlling 11 rather than 7 and will allow individual controller 11 per channel?