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Posted on Wed, Jun 03 2015 13:25
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

I don't see the Human Playbak in Vienna Instrument, neither in Finale. In the first place, this is what I was trying to share with you: No indication for it in the route you suggested. MIDI/Audio/Human Playback/Human Playback..." I have all GARITTAN but not VSL.

OK, please, let's go back: I placed the Ketswitch as descrived. Please look in the attached image. Is it the correct .lib file? Is it in the correct place?

If the answer is YES, we can go on and learn why it does not in the Finale. 

Best Yishai

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Posted on Wed, Jun 03 2015 14:09
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 189

You should probably move it to the Libraries folder. 

Then open an file and in the File menu you'll see "Import Library....".  Click that and browse to the VSL Keyswitch library, open that and it will show up as an additional category in your test expression tool (mf). 

Steve
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Finale 2011, 2012c
VSL SE
Posted on Wed, Jun 03 2015 16:15
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

Thanks Steve, I believe I have it. Please, look in the attached copy of the Finale Expressions/Keyswithch. Is it to work VSL out? However, as Andi suggests I am looking for the articulation of VSL in Finale. Is there any other file I should download. Also, is there a "map" with the Keyswitch against discription. Or, how should I know what each one does?

Thanks

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Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 03:15
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 189

Yes you've got the keyswitch dump expressions and could use them if you wanted.  These are intended to be used with non-SE patches or could be used with SE Plus where the HP preferences won't change articulations. 

So here's a sort of step by step for importing the HP preferences.  keep in mind it won't change the articulation library whatsoever.  It simply gives you a set of Human Playback Preferences that interpret the articulations and text expressions so they're specific to VSL SE.  So here we go....

Assume you've downloaded the Preference file from MyVSL.  You'll use the 2014 file but I'm using Finale 2012 so I have a different preference file.  At any rate the same process. 

1.  Navigate to HP Preferences.....

2.  Import the preferences by clicking on Import.....

3.  Select the file from MyVSL and click Open.....

4. Select newly imported preferences from Preference Sets management dropdown..

That should be it.  Experiment and see if it works for you.  Just start with one staff and add some articulations and some slurs and watch the sounds change in the VI player. 

Steve
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Finale 2011, 2012c
VSL SE
Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 05:24
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

Thank you very much Steve,

I like your step-by-step and it looks now I can manage the Human playback. However, I do not find the HP preferences file in myVSL. Also, your window -Human Playback preferences: "Default prefs" shows IMPORT. (Probably MAC) In my window I don't see IMPORT (I see only DUPLICATE; DELETE; DEFAULT. I attached PrintScreen)

So first of all I need to download the file from VSL. Could you guide me step-by-step where the file is to be downloaded?

Yishai Knoll; Windows 7 home addition, Finale 2014. VSL SE

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Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 06:31
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3273

Hello Yishai!

With the Finale 2014 Human Playback Preferences file for the Special Edition comes a readme file with detailed instructions on how to use it. Simply follow these instructions.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 07:39
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

Thanks Andi, As I wrote to Steve; I don't find the file in VSL (Finale 2014 Human Playback Preferences), Could you direct me to the download, step by step?

Yishai

Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 10:21
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3273

Hello Yishai!

I have posted the link in my first reply. Here it is once again:
http://www.vsl.co.at/en/MyDownloads/Notation_Related

It's called
Finale 2014: Human Playback Preferences for Special Edition Vol 1–4, v. 1.0

Download the file.
Unzip it.
Open the readme file.
Follow the instructions.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 12:36
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

Hi Andy, I have already made it before, but, again, it is the Keyswitch only. (I copied it and pasted below). I do not see the Finale 2014: Human Playback Preferences for Special Edition Vol 1–4, v. 1.0 as you suggested. Could you help me in reaching to this file? I believe it is in another link.








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Sibelius: Optimizing Sibelius Playback with Vienna Ensemble v2.7 (pdf)
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Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 12:49
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 189

That's very strange.  Andi's link takes me right to the following page.  The 6th file down is the one you want.  Also keep in mind my instructions don't exactly apply to 2014 as I read the 2014 instructions.  It's actually easier with 2014.  Anyway I think you'll be in good shape once you're able to download this file. 

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Steve
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Finale 2011, 2012c
VSL SE
Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 13:39
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

Yes Steve, It is! I tried to refresh the page, to open in the Explorer (I work with Chrome), to look for this in Google; nothing shows but 2 results. If the same address gives deferent results on 2 computers - I think something wrong in the VSL website. Do you know someone I can place this issue within the VSL staff? Or maybe  you can send me this file by email? Is it permitted? Do you have a direct telephone to VSL whare I can speek to someone? 

(Is it possible that in MAC is not the same as in PC?)

Thank you,

Yishai

Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 14:26
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 189

I think I would send an email to support and they can probably send it to you directly.  That is very strange that you can't see that file. 

Steve
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Finale 2011, 2012c
VSL SE
Posted on Thu, Jun 04 2015 16:15
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

Hi Steve, I tried the link in my laptop as well and the result is the same; please look in the attched printscreen.

Please, try hard to have the file (Finale 2014: Human Playback Preferences for Special Edition Vol 1–4, v. 1.0) and email to me.  

Thanks again,

Yishai

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Posted on Fri, Jun 05 2015 07:14
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3273

Hello Yishai!

I have seen in our records that you have registered your Special Edition 1 with a different account than the one you are posting with now. Please log in with the account you have registered your product with and you will be able to see the Finale 2014 Human Playback Preferences for the Special Edition.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jun 05 2015 07:53
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

ooooi, if this is the only reason we went all over the communication, and VSL could not tell this in the first place?

However, I don't remember what was my email and password back in 2012! I have tried some but could not log in.

What is your solution? I will do everything neccessary!

Thanks

Yishai

Posted on Fri, Jun 05 2015 08:20
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3273

Hell Yishai!

You have mentioned that the Human Playback Preferences download file doesn't appear for you only yesterday. There was no indication for me what was your actual problem before that. Anyway, I have sent you a mail with the e-mail address you have registered your product with and what is the next step for you.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jun 05 2015 10:06
by Calistro Service
Joined on Thu, Oct 18 2012, Posts 18

Thanks Andi,

I am not blaming you. It is an internet issue. I was just thinking that VSL should let me know in advance, automatically, that I should login with my original details, and being aware of the problems if not.

I am going now to change password and let you know if I could  see the required file. However, thank you very much for your help. You helped me very much. 

Best regards,

Yishai

Posted on Fri, Jun 05 2015 11:12
by Yishai Knoll
Joined on Fri, Jun 08 2012, Posts 5

Hi Andi,

It works!!! I have now the Vienna Instruments in Finale Human Playback Preferences! Great, and thank you again.

Does it mean that I have to work with Vienna Instrument (VI)? Up to now I use to work with Vienna Ensamble (VE). Does it mean that I have a separate VI per voice (One for Violin, One for Viola...Etc.)?

I hope you are not angry on me. It is the first peace I try to produce and never before use VE/VI, but to help myself in composition. I am an awarded composer in Israel, but don't play any instrument. Every composition of mine is only by ears (Some of them in my YouTube Channel yishaimusica - Google finds me easily). I approached now a sort of popular music, and I have an urgency timing to complete the Strings for recording with the Vocalist. So, probably I have been sound somewhat impatient. Sorry for that.

Steve, Thank you as well. 

Best regards,

 

Yishai

Posted on Fri, Jun 05 2015 13:26
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 189

You'll use VE with Finale. 

Steve
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Finale 2011, 2012c
VSL SE
Posted on Sat, Jun 06 2015 12:09
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3273

Hi Yishai!

Don't worry. Everything's fine. :-)
As Steve mentioned, you will use Vienna Ensemble with Finale. In Vienna Ensemble you add one VI for every instrument of your score. If you have instruments with more than one voice, you can (but don't have to) have them on two different channels.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
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