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Multiport Midi Audio Unit Extension AU v3
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Posted on Sun, Jun 14 2015 12:53
by samphony
Joined on Mon, Apr 10 2006, Posts 73
There is something new on the horizon for Mac DAW users.

Apple just announced the new AU v3/ Audio Unit Extension.
One major benefit if implemented:
AU plugins can run in its own process outside the host.
That means if the AU crashes (Hi Kontakt!) the host keeps running.

Developers can update their existing v2 if they want otherwise they can bridge the v2. AU v3 will be compatible with v2 hosts until updated.

For anyone who is interested to skim through the video should take a look here:

Nerdtalk Time. https://developer.apple....videos/wwdc/2015/?id=508

I think 2 factors may be of great relevance at least to me.
1 Own process handling outside the host
2 Multiport Midi connection (VEP). As Doug Wyatt notes (around 46min in) that v2 of the Audio Units allowed only 1x16ch Midi Cable the v3 of the Audio Unit API allows 256x16ch Midi Cables!!!

@Martin can you confirm once the API descriptions are released that this is possible?

Another fact:
AU units sold/downloaded via the APP store can get updated in one place.

Here are the Keynote Slides the guys used on stage
http://devstreaming.appl...unit_extensions.pdf?dl=1
Posted on Tue, Jun 16 2015 07:05
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2658

Great new !

Anything about Expression maps for Logic ?

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
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Posted on Tue, Jun 16 2015 10:18
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1748

Originally Posted by: sambosun Go to Quoted Post

2 Multiport Midi connection (VEP). As Doug Wyatt notes (around 46min in) that v2 of the Audio Units allowed only 1x16ch Midi Cable the v3 of the Audio Unit API allows 256x16ch Midi Cables!!!

@Martin can you confirm once the API descriptions are released that this is possible?

I just downloaded the 10.11 SDK to have a look at this, and it indeed shows support for multiple midi "cables". Hopefully at some point in the future Logic will also implement this.

 

Cheers

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Tue, Jun 16 2015 15:43
by samphony
Joined on Mon, Apr 10 2006, Posts 73
Originally Posted by: MS Go to Quoted Post
<p>
Originally Posted by: sambosun Go to Quoted Post
<strong><br>2 Multiport Midi connection (VEP). As Doug Wyatt notes (around 46min in) that v2 of the Audio Units allowed only 1x16ch Midi Cable the v3 of the Audio Unit API allows 256x16ch Midi Cables!!!</strong><br> @Martin can you confirm once the API descriptions are released that this is possible?<br>
</p>
<p>I just downloaded the 10.11 SDK to have a look at this, and it indeed shows support for multiple midi "cables". Hopefully at some point in the future Logic will also implement this.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Cheers</p>


They will ;)
Posted on Tue, Jun 16 2015 15:46
by samphony
Joined on Mon, Apr 10 2006, Posts 73
Originally Posted by: Cyril Go to Quoted Post
<p>Great new !</p>
<p>Anything about Expression maps for Logic ?</p>



I think the scripter solution for Region/track based Automation is the only solution so far.
Posted on Wed, Jun 17 2015 01:33
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2658

Originally Posted by: sambosun Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Cyril Go to Quoted Post

Great new !

Anything about Expression maps for Logic ?




I think the scripter solution for Region/track based Automation is the only solution so far.

Or the solution I have develop : Program Changes to Articulation Change

 

But it is NOT THE SOLUTION

Just cross finger ; there is a new version of Logic, that will have Multiports, comming soon, let's hope this version will have more !

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Mar 10 2016 03:10
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2658

Hello

 

Any new of the Version of Logic using AU 3 ? of VEP using AU 3 ?

 

Best

 

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Mar 10 2016 08:07
by ephanassai
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2009, Posts 14

Hello everyone

 

Would be interested too in any news on Logic and AU3 implementation.

So far the last 2 updates didn't show any news of something like this.

But I thin a LOT of people are waiting for this to happen. I'm not sure this is a "priority" for Apple though....

Best to all of you

Urs

Originally Posted by: Cyril Go to Quoted Post

Hello

 

Any new of the Version of Logic using AU 3 ? of VEP using AU 3 ?

 

Best

 

Cyril

Owl and Bear Sound Productions
https://soundcloud.com/urs-bollhalder
www.ursbollhalder.com

2012 MacPro 5,1 3,33 GHz 6-core Intel XEON with 48GB RAM (Master)
2014 Intel-Core-i7-4790 3,60 GHz with 32 GB RAM (Slave)

LOGIC PRO 10.4.1
DIGITAL PERFORMER 9.51
CUBASE 9.5.21.3
Posted on Thu, Mar 10 2016 09:13
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12112

Hi guys, 

A little more patience... it will pay off!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Mar 10 2016 09:29
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2658

On a WWDC they demonstrate Logic working with AU3

They say it is a slight modified version ;) ???

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Mar 10 2016 09:45
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12112

As I said: Please have a little patience  

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Mar 15 2016 12:35
by ephanassai
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2009, Posts 14

Will do so!

But I am even more excited now that I know that you guys have something in the oven. 

Looking forward.

Urs

Owl and Bear Sound Productions
https://soundcloud.com/urs-bollhalder
www.ursbollhalder.com

2012 MacPro 5,1 3,33 GHz 6-core Intel XEON with 48GB RAM (Master)
2014 Intel-Core-i7-4790 3,60 GHz with 32 GB RAM (Slave)

LOGIC PRO 10.4.1
DIGITAL PERFORMER 9.51
CUBASE 9.5.21.3
Posted on Thu, Mar 17 2016 13:02
by samphony
Joined on Mon, Apr 10 2006, Posts 73

I use Note Event Channel Change via key commands to change articulations or the oldschool one articulation per track. I dont like the automation lane articulation change method as it is not bound to notes. So if you move notes the automation data doesnt move with it.

 

Originally Posted by: Cyril Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: sambosun Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Cyril Go to Quoted Post

Great new !

Anything about Expression maps for Logic ?




I think the scripter solution for Region/track based Automation is the only solution so far.

Or the solution I have develop : Program Changes to Articulation Change

 

But it is NOT THE SOLUTION

Just cross finger ; there is a new version of Logic, that will have Multiports, comming soon, let's hope this version will have more !

Posted on Tue, Aug 02 2016 14:34
by samphony
Joined on Mon, Apr 10 2006, Posts 73

any news on the AU v3 now that VEP 6 is out the door?

Posted on Tue, Aug 02 2016 14:47
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12112

Hello, 

In a nutshell: We are ready for AUv3 and were hoping that multiport support would be integrated in one of the last Logic Pro X Updates.... 

Unfortunately this has not happened yet, but we´re confident that the time will come!

Best,
Paul 

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Mar 31 2017 05:49
by charlieclouser
Joined on Sat, Oct 11 2008, Posts 1

Well, Logic v10.3.1 is here, and the release notes indicate that AUv3 with multi-port MIDI is now implemented!

Hooray! 

Any news or schedule for adding support for this feature in VEPro v6?

Waiting anxiously....

Posted on Fri, Mar 31 2017 06:47
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12112

Hi, 

Unfortunately this will take some more time until it's developed and tested on our side, but we will get to it as soon as possible. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jul 07 2017 21:05
by quasi
Joined on Tue, Mar 29 2016, Posts 13
Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post
Hi,
Unfortunately this will take some more time until it's developed and tested on our side, but we will get to it as soon as possible.
Best,Paul


Hi Paul, what about this update?
Posted on Sat, Jul 08 2017 08:01
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12112

Hi, 

Needs more time. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Jul 08 2017 20:19
by roq
Joined on Thu, May 01 2008, Posts 1

Thanks for your feedback on this Paul !

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