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Last post Sun, Nov 29 2015 by samphony, 5 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Nov 21 2015 01:26
by RootNDoo
Joined on Tue, Nov 25 2008, Posts 52

Hi All,

I'm wondering if anyone has experience with large templates in StandAlone mode VS Server. Specifically, I'm curious which allows for the most robust template. 

 

Because Server mode enables a ton of functionality for a very low price point (no audio card, midi interfaces, etc), does it come with some penalty to processing? I'm starting to hit a wall with my current template in Server mode, and I'm starting to troubleshoot where the bottle necks are. 

 

It's an expensive upgrade to move everything into Standalone mode, currently using 24 Stereo audio channels (48 total), and 23 MIDI Ports. I'm wondering if anyone here has made the switch and noticed any benefits.

 

Thanks All!

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Posted on Sun, Nov 22 2015 03:43
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2686

Originally Posted by: RootNDoo Go to Quoted Post

It's an expensive upgrade to move everything into Standalone mode, currently using 24 Stereo audio channels (48 total), and 23 MIDI Ports. 

Midi ports or Midi Channels ?

Can you explain the 24 audio channels ? what are they for ?

Are you using VE PRO ?

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Posted on Mon, Nov 23 2015 07:44
by RootNDoo
Joined on Tue, Nov 25 2008, Posts 52

 

Midi ports or Midi Channels ?

Can you explain the 24 audio channels ? what are they for ?

Are you using VE PRO ?

Hi Cyril,

I have one instance of VEPro in my DAW running DP9. I'm currently using VEPro in Server mode, connecting over LAN to a Windows machine where the sounds are hosted. I've connected about 23 MIDI Ports (~370midi channels), and about 24 Stereo channels of audio. The instruments that are hosted in VEPro come back in stem groups, so Channels 1-2 are Woodwinds, 3-4 Brass, 5-6 Orch Perc, 7-8 Strings, etc. I'm currently using 24 stereo channels for the orchestra.

 

I'm wondering if there is any benefit to running in Standalone Mode, where I have a sound card in the Windows machine with VEPro, route the audio back physically through MADI or ADAT. Would this save on processing power in any way?

 

I also occassionally have problems with stuck notes in DP, and am wondering if there is any reliability benefit to routing the MIDI through a physical device such as MOTU Timepiece or Unitor 8.

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Posted on Wed, Nov 25 2015 14:27
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2686

Do you have ssd on your computers ?

Sata III interfaces ?

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sun, Nov 29 2015 17:09
by samphony
Joined on Mon, Apr 10 2006, Posts 77

If you are running a dedicated VEP PC and If you are willing to have a workflow in place that is based on "realtime" recording of anything coming from VEP Standalone the benefit will be very fast loading times of your DAW Projects/Songs/Sessions etc. Everything VEP does will be processed on your VEP Computer only.

In Logic Pro you can run Audio and Midi via the "External Instrument" plugin. I dont know if DP9 has an equivalent to that. (latency compensation)

You wont have the benefit of "Bounce in Place"/"Render in Place" but as the Standalone is setup to receive Midi and send Audio the traditional way your DAW host will load much faster (if that matters to you).

You can also run Audio via Ethernet without a soundcard in your VEP machine if you invest 29€/$ in Audinates' DVS (Dante Virtual Sound Card) It allows streaming of 64CH. I've tested it = awesome.

 

 

Originally Posted by: RootNDoo Go to Quoted Post

 

Midi ports or Midi Channels ?

Can you explain the 24 audio channels ? what are they for ?

Are you using VE PRO ?

Hi Cyril,

I have one instance of VEPro in my DAW running DP9. I'm currently using VEPro in Server mode, connecting over LAN to a Windows machine where the sounds are hosted. I've connected about 23 MIDI Ports (~370midi channels), and about 24 Stereo channels of audio. The instruments that are hosted in VEPro come back in stem groups, so Channels 1-2 are Woodwinds, 3-4 Brass, 5-6 Orch Perc, 7-8 Strings, etc. I'm currently using 24 stereo channels for the orchestra.

 

I'm wondering if there is any benefit to running in Standalone Mode, where I have a sound card in the Windows machine with VEPro, route the audio back physically through MADI or ADAT. Would this save on processing power in any way?

 

I also occassionally have problems with stuck notes in DP, and am wondering if there is any reliability benefit to routing the MIDI through a physical device such as MOTU Timepiece or Unitor 8.

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