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Last post Thu, Jan 21 2016 by Angelus, 11 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Dec 20 2015 16:59
by daerp
Joined on Thu, Jan 18 2007, Toronto, ON CANADA, Posts 170

How do I produce playback of double or triple stops with a solo violin instrument?

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Posted on Sun, Dec 20 2015 18:20
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1153

Just write it that way in your DAW or notaion program

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Posted on Sun, Dec 20 2015 20:40
by daerp
Joined on Thu, Jan 18 2007, Toronto, ON CANADA, Posts 170

That was easy!! Should have tried it out before posting. Ah well.

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Posted on Tue, Dec 22 2015 09:53
by Angelus
Joined on Mon, Jul 23 2007, Wiltshire, UK, Posts 57

If you have a library that includes non-vibrato patches then you might want to consider using those for double/triple stopping passages as it's very difficult for a string player to use vibrato there.

Also, audition the results carefully if you're using performance legato as the legato algorithm is good but can get confused by double/triple stopping sometimes, resulting in some slightly strange effects. Consider G and E going to A and F - the legato should be from G to A and E to F, but depending on the relative start times of the notes in the second chord, you may get G to F and A to E.

Posted on Tue, Dec 22 2015 16:08
by daerp
Joined on Thu, Jan 18 2007, Toronto, ON CANADA, Posts 170

Interesting and helpful comment. Thanks.

Paul

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Posted on Tue, Dec 22 2015 18:11
by Rolf_Music
Joined on Tue, Feb 05 2013, Posts 82

You could use the Detache samples to write them. The amount of attack and lack of vibrato are really nice for that task.

Posted on Tue, Dec 22 2015 21:37
by Angelus
Joined on Mon, Jul 23 2007, Wiltshire, UK, Posts 57

That was interesting too. As it happens I'm working on a solo violin passage with double stopping tomorrow and I'll certainly give detache a go.

Posted on Wed, Dec 23 2015 17:42
by Angelus
Joined on Mon, Jul 23 2007, Wiltshire, UK, Posts 57

The "VI_perf-detache" patch seems pretty much perfect for my double stopping violin passage. Playing it legato rather than trying to mimic the detache style actually gives a good impression of the fingers repositioning on the strings, and the delayed vibrato corresponds well to the physical reality of double stopping.

Posted on Sun, Dec 27 2015 01:15
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582

Originally Posted by: Angelus Go to Quoted Post

If you have a library that includes non-vibrato patches then you might want to consider using those for double/triple stopping passages as it's very difficult for a string player to use vibrato there.

Also, audition the results carefully if you're using performance legato as the legato algorithm is good but can get confused by double/triple stopping sometimes, resulting in some slightly strange effects. Consider G and E going to A and F - the legato should be from G to A and E to F, but depending on the relative start times of the notes in the second chord, you may get G to F and A to E.

That's good to know Angelus thank you

As a person who doesn't know the first thing about strings this information is quite handy to me.  I just assumed there wasn't a difference


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Posted on Sun, Dec 27 2015 21:11
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1763

Originally Posted by: daerp Go to Quoted Post

How do I produce playback of double or triple stops with a solo violin instrument?

Hi Daerp

It seems tha you are just starting in using samples. So here is a link for getting real and interesting results with samples just by switching between some short single articulations: 

http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vi-tips & tricks 4 ...No.39 and probably No. 37 as well

Of course, feel free to check out other chapters as well.

 

I wish you a lot of success!

Beat

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at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Thu, Jan 21 2016 12:24
by Angelus
Joined on Mon, Jul 23 2007, Wiltshire, UK, Posts 57

One other thing that I've just found you need to take account of when double stopping if you are using "speed" to switch between different matrix cells is that the speed detection algorithm can get confused. So if you have a very small time offset between the notes of a chord, as you sometimes seem to need to do to help the performance legato work as desired, this can be interpreted as a sudden speed increase and so the wrong cell can be selected. I suppose the ultimate workaround is to use separate VI instances for each part, but that really seems like overkill.

I've also noticed that the speed detection algorithm includes non-sounding keyswitches in its calculations as well, which surely it shouldn't, but I guess that's one of those things that's been in there for a long time and so it can't be changed without affecting a potentially large number of existing performances.

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