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  • Do you need a slave computer if you have 64gig of ram? And other questions.

    Hi everyone,

    1) I'm currently in the process of updating my recording setup. I plan on upgrading my desktop by putting a new motherboard to have acces to 64 gig max. Is 64 gig of ram and a amd phenom 6 core enough to run a reasonable orchestral template in Cubase 8.5? Note that I'm currently EastWest library (I'd love to buy Vienna's stuff, eventually). The other possibility would be to use this desktop as a slave but I'm wondering if it's necessary.

    2) Would a hp laptop with 12 gig of ram and a Intel i5-5200 2.20 ghz be a usable as a master computer? I'm afraid the processor wouldn't be good enough for serious audio application, even if I host the ram intensive library on another computer. I will also be recording audio (probably one guitar at a time, no multitracking).

    3) Can you use a usb ethernet adapter to connect VEP to another computer?

    Edit : Just realized that I should (probably) have posted in the hardware section of the forum. Sorry.


  • RAM is not the be all and end all for running a big template. I have worked using only 1 computer for around 8 years now, but there are a couple of caveats.

    1. I use SSD, so that I don't have to load so much into RAM. This won't work with East West libraries
    2. I don't have multiple microphone libraries per instrument, so have a relativity low voice count. This won't work with East West libraries.

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    @DG said:

    RAM is not the be all and end all for running a big template. I have worked using only 1 computer for around 8 years now, but there are a couple of caveats.

    1. I use SSD, so that I don't have to load so much into RAM. This won't work with East West libraries
    2. I don't have multiple microphone libraries per instrument, so have a relativity low voice count. This won't work with East West libraries.

    Why not? I switched from a standard 7200 hd to an SSD for EW stuff and the difference was NIGHT AND DAY. Before, especially with Hollywood Orchestra, I would get drops and cut offs, with an SSD it works flawlessly. Their own documentation pretty much says "don't bother unless you have an SSD".

    As for 2 - again, why not? A single mic position cuts down on the voices needed be loaded, if you own Diamond or Platinum editions, those come with multiple mic positions, so selecting a single mic position will definitely help.


  • 1. The biggest bottlenecks for performance comes from:

    A. Processor threads

    B. HD speed

    C. Ram

    You ideally want a processor that is hyperthreaded, to offer more threads per core. This will prevent audio drops because the work can be split to different threads. VEP is excellent at this task, which is why even on a single machine using VEP can increase preformance. 

    I don't know if a phenom is hyperthreaded - I know the i7 is, which with 6 cores would offer 12 threads. Clock speed is still important too, the faster the better. I assume the phenom offers more threads per core, but you would want to double check.

    From there, it comes down to HD speed. An SSD will net a lot of perfomance gains. This is how an SSD works - it's practically RAM itself, in terms of access read speeds and can stream a lot more data a lot faster to the processor/ram than a regular HD. 

    Ram is for loading a large template, of course. I only have 24 gigs myself but that's plenty. I have 3 SSD drives and can load a fairly sizeable template.

    2. Honestly, an i5, 12 gig master would probably be fine. More than fine. You want your "beefy" computer to be your slave. I think you would see performance gains by doing a master/slave setup. The CPU/Ram/SDD on the slave is what counts - with a 6 core phenom and a few SSD's + 64 gigs of ram, you're probably set for a massive template if you go with a master/slave set up.

    The reason master/slaves work so well is because you're separating your DAW from the audio processing, leaving the master to just worry about the DAW. The audio is piped in from the slave, which processes all the audio and effects, leaving the DAW on the master to simply play it back to you. 

    When I switched to a master/slave, I saw a big performance boost in my CPU usage. I just have an i7 quad core in my slave and it works wonders. My master is an i7 macbook pro running either digital performer or cubase. Both work flawlessly.

    3. You need a gigabit cat-6 or 7 crossover cable to make this work. If it's just a master/slave and you don't need to worry about internet, then you can plug them directly into each other. From there, it's just a matter of going into your network adapter software and changing a few settings. For windows, this is Control Panel/Network and Internet/ Network Connections -> Right click on ethernet properties and then Internet Protocol Version 4(TCP/IPv4) Properties. 

    A. IP Address on Master: 10.0.0.1, Slave: 10.0.0.2

    B: Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 on both computers.

    This should allow you to connect through VEP. Note that I have to shut off wireless internet on my macbook pro when I first connect. For some reason VEP seems to try and default to that network instead of the LAN setup.

    Some other considerations: If you work with dual monitors and you want to use both monitors on your master, you'll need either Microsofts Remote Connection or something like TeamViewer to open and view your slave's desktop.

    Hope this is helpful!


  • > A. IP Address on Master: 10.0.0.1, Slave: 10.0.0.2

    Only MAC uses IPs in that range. The rest of the world would use 192.168.1.x


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  • Regarding question #1: using an SSD speeds up load times, for both EW and VSL, but that is not the issue being raised regarding the use of an SSD for samples.  The difference between VSL and EW comes with VSL's Pro software: for VSL libraries only, when you use an SSD, you can set smaller buffer sizes than those required with conventional hard drives.  Using smaller buffer sizes allows more samples to be loaded into the same amount of RAM.


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    @Another User said:

    As for 2 - again, why not? A single mic position cuts down on the voices needed be loaded, if you own Diamond or Platinum editions, those come with multiple mic positions, so selecting a single mic position will definitely help.

    True, but if you only use 1 microphone position you are pretty much negating any advantage that there may have been in getting a sample library that offers multiple microphone positions.

    DG


  • Oh okay, yeah I see what you're saying.

    I only own the gold versions and, yeah, not having close mics suck. 

    Working on a template the other day, I was comparing the sounds to other libraries, doing a much closer comparision than I have before. I'm impressed with the HW series from EW, but the biggest issue is lacking that damn close mic position. I'm considering upgrading to Composer Cloud Plus just to get it.