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Bought Ve Pro 6, need advice.
Last post Fri, Sep 09 2016 by boffo, 5 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Aug 30 2016 00:15
by toodamnhip
Joined on Sat, Jun 09 2012, Posts 87

Hi Paul and Marnix, you guys are great. I love your product and have taken advantage of the cheaper update before months' end.


1) I really wish you guys made VE 5 and VE6 compatible. Here's why: your instructions are to uninstall and reinstall VE 5 if 6 proves problematic. The flaw in this logic is that VE 5 cannot open VE 6 files. Unless there is a way to "save as" vers. 5 when INSIDE OF version 6, this is a potentially unworkable scenario in the event a user works in VE6 and decides to go BACK to VE5. Any "new" work will be unloadable in VE5!!!

2) I had trmendous difficulties (which you all know well), when EZ drummer changed it's naming protocol. So much so that I had to go BACK to an earlier vers. of EZ drummer. I know that EZ isn't officially supported, (why I haven;t a clue-as EZ is a major drum program), but my quetion is: has this issue been fixed in VE 6? 

3) After all the lost work, I am not in a position to lose any more time so I will wait a few updates before moving to VE 6.

3A-What are the current issues with DP 9.1 and it's new latency protocols? Seems there have been problems. I myself have stayed back at DP 9.01 due to too many problems in 9.1. But I will go to DP 9.1 when updates make that possible.

3B- is there a precise list of known issues with VE6 that I can read so I know in advance whether I'm going to have problems? I have been reading the threads here and followig them via email, but it would be nice if there was a consolidated list. 

Again, it would be so helpful if VE5 and VE6 could co-exist without overwritng each other. Then any user could "jump in" and not be paranoid of problems. When a user has professional obligations on a daily basis and uses VE Pro in such CRUCIAl projects, there is no ability to work in VE6, then "go back" to VE 5 and lose whatever work was done in 6.

OS 10.10.3 DP 9.0
Posted on Tue, Aug 30 2016 08:45
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13810


1) That´s a conscious choice, as it will keep confusion at a lower level. I understand you point, and believe me, I wish it was easy to do.  

2) Yes, that has been fixed. 

3) No problem. 

3A) I´m not aware of any latency issues with VE PRO 6. Do you want to point me to an example?

3B) There is no known bugs list, but we are still working on improvements. I´ll see that we can get such a list. 



Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Aug 30 2016 08:58
by toodamnhip
Joined on Sat, Jun 09 2012, Posts 87

Re: making a list- Thanks you guts so accessable, I appreciate that.

Well, for one thing, right now in DP 9, I have to stay at 0 buffers or the beat is late. 

And auditioning loops in a program like Superior or EX drummer, WITH buffers above 0, "none", results inlopps playing late.

I am not communicating 100% efficiently here, sorry, I'm preoccupied in the studio and wasnt prepared to be scientific with tests of when and where VE Pro started needing to be at 0 buffers again. It used to work on higher buffers in normal operating conditions and only have problems auditioning loops in programs like Superior, or even stylus. But somewhere, with DP 9, it started to need to be at 0 ltency again.


I will tell you this:

I run LOTS of aux tracks with sub mixes and big plug ins on buses and the Mastser bus, which culminates in iZoptope Ozen and other plugs on the master bus. All this worked before though so, even though I know these plug ins make more work for latency comp engines, the fact that they worked untol recently shows they should work. 

Anything been done with that kind of sceario/latency?

OS 10.10.3 DP 9.0
Posted on Tue, Aug 30 2016 09:06
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13810


Did you contact MOTU with these findings yet? Would be good to know what they say. 

Nothing changed in latency management with VE PRO 6 on our side, but we will take a look at what could be wrong and if we can confirm this behaviour. 


Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Sep 09 2016 23:57
by boffo
Joined on Mon, Aug 15 2016, United States, Posts 2

Running DP 9.02/Windows 8.1/VEP 6.

I find that VEP latency is un-noticeable when playing back sequences. However, when bounced to disc, the same sequences have noticeable latency when using Waves plug-ins from inside VEP. But inserting the same plug-ins over auxes returning into DP from VEP mitigates the problem.

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