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Vienna Choir Sustains Sound Filtered - any thoughts
Last post Fri, Sep 02 2016 by Paul, 4 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Aug 31 2016 11:03
by Trailerman
Joined on Wed, Jun 14 2006, Manchester, UK, Posts 609

Hi

I've owned Vienna Choirs for a few years now, and keep trying to use them in mixes, but always struggle with the tone.  To my ear, the sustained articulations (even at the highest velocity/vel-X level) sound like they have a low-pass filter across them, so that all the fizz and breath is removed from the samples.  

The issue is exacerbated by the fact that the staccato articulations, and the dynamic swells don't suffer from this - the breath and sizzle is very present, whcih makes it even more glaring when switching between articulations that something is not right with the sustains.

The issue is particularly noticable with the Sopranos.

Ami I missing something?  Is there some hidden setting which is causing an LP filter to sit across some articulations and not others?   I've checked everything obvious iin VI Pro and cannot see anything unusual.

Thanks for any suggestions or feedback.

Jules

System 1:

Windows 7 64bit
16 core, 3.4GHz E5-2687W, 128GB Ram,
Nuendo 6.5 / Nuendo 7.020 / Cubase 7.5 / Cubase Pro 8
Motu 2408 Mk III x 3

System 2:

Mac Pro Mid 2010
12 core, 3GHz, 32GB Ram,
OS 10.7.4
Seagate ES and Intel Solid State Drives
ProTools HDX, 11.3
Digidesign 192 Interfaces x6

System 3:

CPU: 2xIntel W5580 Xeon Nehalem S1366
Motherboard: Supermicro X8DT3-LN4F
RAM: 96GB ECC RAM in SUPERO 4GB modules (ECC-R DR340LER13)
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (64 bit)
Audio Hardware: RME HDSPe AIO PCIe
Hard Drives: 2x1.5TG Seagate ES (SATA)
1x2TB Seagate ES (SATA)
1x1.5TB Seagate ES (SAS)
MIDI: Midi Over Lan CP 3
Output Format: Stereo
Sample Rate: 44.1KHz clocked from external wordclock master
Graphics: Gainward 9500GT 512MB PCIe


Posted on Wed, Aug 31 2016 15:10
by Simon Hanna
Joined on Sat, Mar 26 2011, Australia, Posts 30

I have noticed the exact same thing. The dynamic patches are so lush and then - as you say - the legato and sustains sound like they are filtered. I have used the exciter and eq in the past with some decent results. I am interested to see what VSL have to say about it.

Posted on Fri, Sep 02 2016 07:51
by Trailerman
Joined on Wed, Jun 14 2006, Manchester, UK, Posts 609

Thanks Simon - I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Thing is, it's not at all subtle, the difference is really obvious.  Although EQ'ing can help, it causes it's own problems, because one then has awful sounding, over-EQ'ed dynamic and staccato samples, merged with ok sounding longs.

It would be really good to hear something from VSL, because I'm pretty sure either a) the dynamics they sampled for the longs were not as loud as for the shorts and dynamic samples or b) some kind of filtering/EQ'ing has for some reason been applied to certain articulations (more likely from what I'm hearing).

Jules

System 1:

Windows 7 64bit
16 core, 3.4GHz E5-2687W, 128GB Ram,
Nuendo 6.5 / Nuendo 7.020 / Cubase 7.5 / Cubase Pro 8
Motu 2408 Mk III x 3

System 2:

Mac Pro Mid 2010
12 core, 3GHz, 32GB Ram,
OS 10.7.4
Seagate ES and Intel Solid State Drives
ProTools HDX, 11.3
Digidesign 192 Interfaces x6

System 3:

CPU: 2xIntel W5580 Xeon Nehalem S1366
Motherboard: Supermicro X8DT3-LN4F
RAM: 96GB ECC RAM in SUPERO 4GB modules (ECC-R DR340LER13)
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (64 bit)
Audio Hardware: RME HDSPe AIO PCIe
Hard Drives: 2x1.5TG Seagate ES (SATA)
1x2TB Seagate ES (SATA)
1x1.5TB Seagate ES (SAS)
MIDI: Midi Over Lan CP 3
Output Format: Stereo
Sample Rate: 44.1KHz clocked from external wordclock master
Graphics: Gainward 9500GT 512MB PCIe


Posted on Fri, Sep 02 2016 10:00
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12467

Hi, 

Sorry for the delay. 

You are right, we had to apply more EQ/Mastering to the sustains in the Choir. Unfortunately there was no way around this. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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