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Note expression high winds SE+ in Cubase 8.5 problem
Last post Fri, Jan 13 2017 by EmBee1972, 6 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jan 10 2017 12:04
by EmBee1972
Joined on Sat, Jan 17 2015, Posts 27

Maybe this has been covered in another thread, but I've been searching the forum and I didn't find the answer to my problem.

I'm working on an orchestral composition in Cubase (8.5.20) using a MIDI rack, using the note expression maps Steinberg provides on their download page. The specific problem I run into is with the High winds note expression map not playing back the right articulation. F.e. perfomance legato where sustained legato is selected, or not changing back in time from staccato to legato and so on.

Of course I can get the same result by entering notes in the Low octave, but for me it works easier using the articulation/dynamics controller lane in the MIDI editor, where you only have to click the desired articulation and Cubase does the rest. All String sections and low winds work as expected, only the high winds section is giving trouble.

Cubase and VI are up to date, I've loaded the right samples (SE+ and note expression map for SE+), double checked every setting, but nothing seems wrong. Since all other instruments work exactly as they should, I suppose it must be a settings problem in the note expression map from Steinberg.

I've already tried to change the behavior of the note expression map by editing the key switches, changing the root key and even in VI I changed the default key switches to the one cubase sends, but nothing works. Is there anybody who knows how to solve this? Any help is highly appreciated.

Posted on Wed, Jan 11 2017 19:15
by EmBee1972
Joined on Sat, Jan 17 2015, Posts 27

Update: it seems that Cubase sends the right key-switches to VI, but somehow VI doesn't playback the right articulation/playing style. When I switch to instrument view in VI, I can see the keys on the keyboard layout being 'pressed' by the signals VI receives from cubase. Nevertheless playback is wrong and gives f.e. portamento where legato sustain is needed.

Posted on Thu, Jan 12 2017 17:01
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3590

Hello EmBee1972!

The VST Expression Maps for the Special Edition PLUS can only work correctly, if you have loaded the Special Edition PLUS matrices that came with the library content. Did you load these matrices? If this doesn't help in solving your problem, you can send your Cubase project to and we will take a look at it.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jan 12 2017 17:31
by EmBee1972
Joined on Sat, Jan 17 2015, Posts 27

Hi Andi,

Thanks for your reply and your hint for solving the problem.

I think I just found out what the problem is: I combined Flutes 1,2/Oboes 1,2 and Clarinets 1, 2 in one track for every instrument (two voices in one instrument track, like most printed scores). After I split every individual part into seperate tracks the problem was gone, so I think it has to do with two voices in one track causing the problem.

In case combining voices into one track should work, I would highly prefer it, because I wanted to leave some tracks out of the overall view. Unfortunately I suppose this is not the way Cubase and VI work well together.

Posted on Fri, Jan 13 2017 10:52
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3590

Hello EmBee1972!

It is possible to have two voices on one track, but you have the following limitations.
- The voices (instruments) cannot play different articulations at the same time.
- Our performance interval patches (like legato) are monophonic by design. The Vienna Instruments Pro player has a polyphonic legato mode though.
- The voices (instruments) will sound identical in the mix and they are also positioned at the same exact place.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jan 13 2017 13:11
by EmBee1972
Joined on Sat, Jan 17 2015, Posts 27

Hello Andi,

Thanks again for helping me with this subject.

I can use the VI pro option, but despite the fact that I prefer less instrument tracks in the overall view, the limitations that come with having two voices in one track, are more important than some extra lines. Therefore I will split all combined voices into single tracks for all instruments. The overall view will be a bit more complex, but there are several ways to smoothen that out.

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