Can't for the life of me figure out why they stopped sampling at this note
it's the "safe" range, sure, but lots of people can play to the F above or the E at least. so what-- you have to buy the solo piccolo trumpet for the extra notes? lame
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Dimension Trumpet Range Ends At C6!?
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and thanks for your reply
do i expect community players to? no, but i tend to write in vsl (and any virtual instrument) as if i had a section of the best players, that's kind of the point of spending the extra money on vsl imo
also, yes they are ensembles, but you have individual player matrices as well, so in theory if I'm writing a part for a solo trumpet in dimensions brass, i'm still limited from writing a part that even many high school trumpeters can play (i've seen hs players who can hit dhc!)... just seems odd not to have the choice.
like i get the idea of keep everything in common safe ranges, but i'd rather be yelled at by a session player for making him work hard to squeeze out a part for a take than not be able to have my computer trumpet player nail something slightly difficult every time
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right Dietz, that's the point
that's why i pay more for vienna than, say, east west (whose pretty decent sounding, also sample-based, and half-the-price "hollywood brass" trumpets go up to E6 btw), or for college students (pretty quality players) to play for dirt cheap but spend many more hours doing it. there's an expectation that you're the best, that vsl has covered all the bases.
also @ william: i have no idea if you commented and deleted it or whatever, but feel free to message me wtvr it was
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Coming from someone who doesnt know anything about Vienna except the special edition products, as I understand it, the dimensional products are offering a more human sound, a bit more flexible and less mechanical. I imagine they really shine with instruments pro...
I wouldnt be using the dimension products if I needed range, Id be using the solo instruments. I dont disagree that the range is somewhat limited, but, remember that while even high schoolers can hit very high notes (I know I could, back when I was in high school, I played a special line that was written very high for the trumpet for the star spangled banner to add some flare to it). However, when we tried to have two of us play this same part, it sounded pitchy, because while we could actually hit the notes, it wasnt always in tune. With a solo instrument, thats fine, its not so obvious, but with 2 instruments, if they arent in tune, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Also, higher notes have less give on how out of tune they can be without being noticeable. This is why flutes, piccolos and trumpets in particular have to make sure they have a tighter omniture than say a tuba or trombone player.
While I may not have experience with Vienna, I do have experience with every instrument. I can play every major instrument in a band or orchestra, maybe not particularly well on a professional level, but I can play them all and have experience performing in large shows on nearly every instrument.
Perhaps the range is somewhat limited, that is precisely why youd use the solo instruments and double up on them (maybe you can make the special edition 1 or 2 brass work, and since you already have some of them, they would make those two extremely cheap). I dont know what kind of project you are working on, but my experience is, other than the limit on the articulations, the special editions sound just fine with a bit of eq and reverb.
I just dont think youll get a realisitic performance doubling up on solo instruments. Like I said, 1 player might be able to hit those high notes. Now have two of them hit the higher notes together and it will sound pitchy.
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*embouchure
great suggestion, unfortunately SE trumpets also stop at C6. i needed a Db6 as my highest note in my entire piece and it only happens twice. the workaround is easy, transpose down a semitone, bounce the meaure to audio, pitch shift up a semitone and fade in the audio for that one note where the midi doesn't play.
listen i'm not disagreeing about writing safe parts for particualr contexts (although if everyone played it safe we wouldn't have the beautiful bassoon solo from Rite of Spring). it's more of a surprise that they would end there. and they do it for the solo instruments as well. i personally have always sung vsl's praises, encountering this one weird limitation makes me wonder if I'll run into any others. i'm sure as a trumpet player you can appreciate that it's not a hard note to hit, it's a second valve tone. i'm not crazy for asking for one. Mhaler, Strauss, Respighi-- all wrote above high C.
on an orchestration note, you can give the forte/fortissimo high note to ONE of your 3-4 trumpets, and it will sound pretty clearly in the full (well orchestrated) orchestra (which is how i'm assiging the part). this whole argument about how Dimension Brass is for "ensembles" seems a little crazy when you're supposed to be able to play divisi parts in one instrument "desk" or wtvr they call it (which isn't even true of all articulations, pLeg limits you to once voice). and they individual players recorded anyway! again i'm just saying the option would be nice.
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We absolutely understand what you're asking for, but this ...
[...] and they individual players recorded anyway! [...]
... is obviously the reason for this ongoing misunderstanding, because: No, they were _not_ recorded as individual players, but as an ensemble, playing together all the time. Each and every note. 😊 Ten-thousands of takes.
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/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
The Dimension trumpets were recorded simultaneously but with highly directional mics so that each player is heard almost solo, but can be used in any combination with the other players with no phasing. That is the whole point of the Dimension libraries, not a limitation. If you want pure solo instruments you would use the solo trumpets which are Bflat and C - with wider ranges - and cornet, not to mention the ensemble trumpets, piccolo trumpet, bass trumpet and flugelhorn. Also, I have to add that the range in the Dimension trumpets is not "limited" but is a normally used range in orchestral performance. If you want a range up to high d it is easy to transpose by means of a pitch shift.
