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  • Solo Strings I, Expression Maps & Cubase 9

    Hi to you all!

    I have extracted the Expression map from the VSL_Strings_Expressionmaps_v.1.11 file.

    I can see them when I load this Expression map in Cubase, although the keys in the Expression map do not match the keys from the VSL Instrument at all...

    What did I wrong?

    Thanks for your help!

    Georg


  • Hello Georg!

    The expressions match with the VI presets that came with the expression maps download. To load the Vienna Instruments VST Expression Presets, move them to your VSL Custom Data folder. This way they will show up in your Vienna Instruments Interface.

    Best regards,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hello Andi,

    I have already done that and it works fine. 

    Maybe I did not explain my problem correctly... I want to use the Expression maps in Cubase 9 and I thought you have preconfigured Cubase Expression maps for that purpose. If I take a look at the map which loads in Cubase you can see that the keys assigned do not match at all the keys from the VST presets. That means I have to assign them one by one manually... right? - or do I miss something?

    Georg

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  • Hello Georg!

    I can see on your screenshots that you did load one of our expression maps, but you didn't load one of the VI presets that come along with the expression maps. Please take another look at your downloaded files or redownload them.

    To load the Vienna Instruments VST Expression Presets, move them to your VSL Custom Data folder. This way they will show up in your Vienna Instruments Interface.

    Best regards,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hello Andi,

    actually I did download them and placed them in the correct folder. Maybe I have used the wrong one...

    Is there a specific one for Solo Strings I Standard and does this correspond with the Expression map in Cubase?

    Georg


  • Hello Georg!

    Yes, there are specific VI presets for the Solo Strings I standard. They are in the folder Strings VI-Presets VST-Expression\Solo Strings\SS I - standard and start with "SS_". I think you have already copied them to your VSL Custom Data Folder, but did not load them in the Vienna Instruments player.

    Best,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hi Andi,

    could you please check the pictures enclosed. I hope it is correct now.

    Once thing still confuses me... In Cubase the Key is set to C1, but the Note On key says C0. I am new to the Expression maps, so could you give me a hint to that?

    Thanks ;-) - Georg

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  • Hello Georg!

    It seems that you have now loaded the correct VI preset.
    Please note that Cubase calls MIDI notes different than we do. Cubase C3 = VSL C4.
    I recommend setting the root note ("Grundton" in the German version) of the remote keys in the Cubase Expression Map Setup Window to C0.

    Best,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hello Andi,

    just to understand it correctly... after switching the root note to C0 I will send C0 as "Note-On" in Cubase and it will trigger C1 in VSL - right?

    Regards,

    Georg


  • Right.

    Best,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hello Kantafig,

    Cubase uses C3 for middle C

    VSL uses C4 for middle C.

    If it says C#1 in VSL, it must be C#0 in Cubase Expression Map. 

    Sorry to let you down on the Expression Map.  They are good to look at but not use.  Over time you will realize you need to set things up YOUR way.  And you should.

    And which way is that?  Try the Beat Kaufmann style.  It works pretty good imo.  Check out his website. His book on VSL for 30 euros was excellent.

    Also, you would not want an expression map to have all the articulations.  Working with the articulations in the Key Editor would be impossible to read.   Cubase gives us this dinky window that one has to constant resize to view what is going on.  All the way on the left is the name, but far on the right you don't know if you are on the correct row for the articulation you want to select.  It is a pain.  Go ahead and try for yourself.


  • May I ask what's the philosophical difference between the VIPRO2 presets and the presets dedicated to Cubase's Expression Maps? I'm trying to adapt some existing presets to other DAWs and Notation programs, and wonder which one is the best starting point. Paolo

  • Hello Paolo!

    Lots of the VIPRO presets that come with the library content take advantage of the internal APP sequencer and are for general usage. The VI presets that come with the Expression Maps are designed to work with the VST Expression Maps. I can't say what's a better starting point for a template. Maybe it's best to start from an empty preset. That depends on what you want to achieve.

    Best regards,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Andi, thank you for your answer. I understand that there is no single approach that can suit any work style. My guess is that the VIPRO presets are intended for live performing or quick access to various layers of articulations (starting from a basic one, and going down to the details when needed), while the Expression Map presets were intended to create the finest and most comprehensive enclyclopedia of articulations, to be recalled by machines.

    With Logic, I've created my own presets, starting from your basic matrix. The basic matrix, plus custom patches, plus matrices with runs and other prerecorded "phrases", seem to fit my work habits, with a not-too-long list of articulations in the Articulation ID list, but enough flexibility to include everything I'll use for a mockup or composition.

    With notation programs I'll probably be better to start from the Expression Map presets, since I will not have to deal with articulation lists, but each element of the score will have a matching patch.

    Paolo


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