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    Hello I'm struggled trying to get realistic sounds in my projects in Logic Prox, but all I have are almost annoying noises, I know it's me. For example, the flute with a low volume sounds more than the violin with the volume in 127. The timber of the violin is always strong and strident. SOS. Another issue is that articulations change along, when playing legato sunddenly jumps to portamento, or from one stacatto to another. A little bit depressing.
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    For your flute and violin problem the velocity X fade comes to mind. When you move the fader do you hear a difference in timbre? For everything else it sounds like you might be having some MIDI routing issues; you have multiple tracks feeding into the same VI instance and another track is controlling the keyswitches which might explain the inexplicable articulation jumps. Just a few things that come to mind.
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    the velocity crossfade really changes the timber. Regarding to the articulation change is also an issue in the stand alone mode, so, I do not know.
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    Hi Americo,

    Concerning the timbre of the violin (and also cello) I had the same issue, until I discovered the low velocity samples. For me that became a better starting point for that instruments. A few other tricks for the solo strings (especially violin and cello), are

    • the use of the masterfilter (Vienna Instruments and Vienna Instruments Pro, first set the masterfilter in "advanced (in the right upper corner of the window) > options": for example f2 on about 4 KH or a little less, and then use in "advanced > perform" the filter slider to set the amount of filtering.
    • A very good working tool for a living sound is to change that slider a little during one note (not to much).
    • And if you have Vienna Instruments Pro you can experiment with stretching to bring some more variation in the vibrato.
    • I don't know which solo strings you use, but the full library give many more possibilities than the special edition. A cheaper alternative are the samples in special edition volume 1 strings plus, if you have special edition volume 1.
    • a to strong attack of a sample you can manage
      by using the attack slider a little
      and in Vienna Instruments Pro in Advanced (in the right upper corner) > Advanced (more to the midst of the window > start offset (until 50 ms) and start offset attack (necessary to avoid a click in the start of the note, most of the time just little increasing is enough). Sometimes the combination of this two ways are working the best.
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    @americo said:

    Regarding to the articulation change is also an issue in the stand alone mode, so, I do not know.

    What are your articulations (patches) set to? Keyswitches? Mod Wheel? Speed?

    When you are in standalone mode I would assume that you are playing the notes in manually so do the articulations change when you play faster or harder?  Are you trying to move the mode wheel to increase the volume/timbre while playing and the articulations change?

    Maybe a step by step example of your workflow might help. 
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    Thank you for the advice, I'll try to see what happens.
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    That sounds very useful, I'll try that also. There is another question that came across and is about using compression on the strings, that makes sense is a sound engeneering aberration?
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    It depends...

    Compression can work wonders in a mix but the trade off is dynamics; the instrument/section looses some expression.  if it doesn't matter for the piece you're working on then use it but if it does then a limiter might be a better option. 
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    I found an amazing way to change articulation with art conductor, an scripter for Logic pro. I could share what I've achieve if you like.