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What kind of strings are used in this demo piece?
Last post Sun, Jun 25 2017 by PaoloT, 12 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Jun 05 2017 02:20
by pVo
Joined on Wed, Aug 27 2014, Posts 3

So, I was looking for a library to buy after my 3 SE packs I bought some years ago, but I didn't like neither the Orchestral or the Appassionata strings from the demos I heard. The sound that catched my interest though was the one in Star Wars - The Force Awakens produced by Jay Bacal in the recently added demos section, which I suppose is maybe made from a mix between dimension and appassionata strings? I can't tell. A part from this I'd really like to buy the dimension bundle but it's too much money at this right moment for me, is there any chance it will be discounted in a few months?

Posted on Mon, Jun 05 2017 03:19
by JBacal
Joined on Sat, Mar 27 2004, Posts 1206
HI,

I used a combination of Appassionata, Orchestral, Chamber and Solo Strings. I did not use the Dimension Strings for this demo . The legato melodic Violins 1 and Cellos are mostly the Appassionata Strings. The violins 2, violas and basses as well as the faster, short note passages of the violins 1 and cellos are mostly Orchestral Strings.

Best wishes,
Jay
Posted on Mon, Jun 05 2017 05:32
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12393

Hi pVo, 

And I'd say  the great news for you is the special offer on Appassionata Strings and Orchestral Strings in this very month!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jun 05 2017 16:29
by pVo
Joined on Wed, Aug 27 2014, Posts 3

Originally Posted by: JBacal Go to Quoted Post
HI,

I used a combination of Appassionata, Orchestral, Chamber and Solo Strings. I did not use the Dimension Strings for this demo . The legato melodic Violins 1 and Cellos are mostly the Appassionata Strings. The violins 2, violas and basses as well as the faster, short note passages of the violins 1 and cellos are mostly Orchestral Strings.

Best wishes,
Jay

Thanks for the reply, is it just Appassionata at 1:56?

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi pVo, 

And I'd say  the great news for you is the special offer on Appassionata Strings and Orchestral Strings in this very month!

Best, 
Paul

I was looking into that, I really like the versatility of dimension strings but I also think Orchestral Strings are essential to have for articulations. But then I face the choice of appassionata because of the cinematic sound I need in my scores.

Posted on Tue, Jun 06 2017 03:21
by JBacal
Joined on Sat, Mar 27 2004, Posts 1206
The violins at 1:56 are a combination of Appassionata, Orchestral, Chamber and Solo. But the Appassionata violins are loudest in the mix.

Best,
Jay
Posted on Tue, Jun 06 2017 22:40
by PauloRego
Joined on Sat, May 14 2016, Posts 49

They really are gorgeous sounding. Great job Jay!

Symphonic Cube Standard, Appassionata Strings I Standard, Fanfare Trumpets Full, Epic Orchestra, Vienna Instruments Pro 2, Vienna Ensemble Pro 6, Vienna Suite, MIRx Teldex Scoring Stage, The Sage Gateshead, Konzerthaus Grosser Saal & Konzerthaus Mozartsaal

Posted on Tue, Jun 06 2017 23:11
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582

Originally Posted by: pVo Go to Quoted Post

I was looking into that, I really like the versatility of dimension strings but I also think Orchestral Strings are essential to have for articulations. But then I face the choice of appassionata because of the cinematic sound I need in my scores.

So get them all.  

You said before that you didn't like the sound from the Orchestral Strings and App. Strings demos.  That's probably because you heard those libraries by themselves but in order to bring out the magic of the VSL strings you have to layer them.  And it's how you layer them that matters.

If you can buy one of the string bundle packages then great but if your budget doesn't allow this then, in your situation, I would at least get the App. Strings with Solo Strings.  If you can afford to get the chamber Strings then get them too.  Then get the rest as sales and offers come up over time and don't forget the mutes.


"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
- W.C. Fields
Posted on Wed, Jun 07 2017 01:11
by pVo
Joined on Wed, Aug 27 2014, Posts 3

Originally Posted by: jasensmith Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: pVo Go to Quoted Post

I was looking into that, I really like the versatility of dimension strings but I also think Orchestral Strings are essential to have for articulations. But then I face the choice of appassionata because of the cinematic sound I need in my scores.

So get them all.  

You said before that you didn't like the sound from the Orchestral Strings and App. Strings demos.  That's probably because you heard those libraries by themselves but in order to bring out the magic of the VSL strings you have to layer them.  And it's how you layer them that matters.

If you can buy one of the string bundle packages then great but if your budget doesn't allow this then, in your situation, I would at least get the App. Strings with Solo Strings.  If you can afford to get the chamber Strings then get them too.  Then get the rest as sales and offers come up over time and don't forget the mutes.

I was thinking about Orchestral I-II and App I. Why do you suggest solo and appassionata?

Posted on Thu, Jun 08 2017 16:42
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582

Originally Posted by: pVo Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: jasensmith Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: pVo Go to Quoted Post

I was looking into that, I really like the versatility of dimension strings but I also think Orchestral Strings are essential to have for articulations. But then I face the choice of appassionata because of the cinematic sound I need in my scores.

So get them all.  

You said before that you didn't like the sound from the Orchestral Strings and App. Strings demos.  That's probably because you heard those libraries by themselves but in order to bring out the magic of the VSL strings you have to layer them.  And it's how you layer them that matters.

If you can buy one of the string bundle packages then great but if your budget doesn't allow this then, in your situation, I would at least get the App. Strings with Solo Strings.  If you can afford to get the chamber Strings then get them too.  Then get the rest as sales and offers come up over time and don't forget the mutes.

I was thinking about Orchestral I-II and App I. Why do you suggest solo and appassionata?

 

If you're going to get three I would suggest App 1, Chamber 1 and Solo 1.

Orch. Strings and App. are not that far apart sonically so you don't have the detail you would get with the chamber and solo strings.  This detail is important when layering the strings.


"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
- W.C. Fields
Posted on Sun, Jun 25 2017 00:58
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 856
I read that Appassionata Strings are sampled whole-tone. Il so, are the Standard Edition all that different from the Special Edition? Apart for two or three articulations, and maybe an additional velocity layer in some articulations, they should be the same.

Paolo
Posted on Sun, Jun 25 2017 10:32
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post
I read that Appassionata Strings are sampled whole-tone. Il so, are the Standard Edition all that different from the Special Edition? Apart for two or three articulations, and maybe an additional velocity layer in some articulations, they should be the same.

No.  My understanding is that the bigger collections, whether standard or full, are sampled at half tone.  Only the Special Editions are sampled at whole tone.

In addition to more articulations, and velocity layers you also get more variations with repetitions.


"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
- W.C. Fields
Posted on Sun, Jun 25 2017 15:53
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 856

By comparing the manuals for the SE and Full versions of the Appassionata Strings, I would say that both may be recorded at each whole tone. Detaché are the same in both collections, while other articulations are only slightly different. For example, there are 198 Violins sustain sample in SE (with 3 velocity layers), and 242 sus_Vib samples in the Full Violins (with 4 velocity layers).

Somewhere else in the forum, Paul confirmed that Appassionata were a particular case, due to the need of reducing the time needed to record so many musicians at once.

The number of articulations is very different, and there are more layers in some common patches. The Full version is particularly strong in expressivity (vibrato) and legato modes (various types of legato and portamento, legato with more layers).

Paolo

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