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Posted on Sat, Aug 05 2017 05:35
by Pro-Arte
Joined on Thu, Feb 13 2003, Nice France, Posts 174

Dear VSL team, after the percussions, will the others sections of the orchestra be newly recorded ?

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Posted on Sat, Aug 05 2017 09:57
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 9480

Hi Pro-Arte, 

Yes, Synchron Percussion is part of the upcoming Synchron Series. We're really busy here in Vienna, and will keep you up to date!

Thanks for your patience, it will be worth it!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Aug 07 2017 14:42
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 503

Hi Paul,

Any rough Idea how much Storagespace the whole Synchron Orchestra will need?

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Posted on Mon, Aug 07 2017 15:12
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 9480

Hi, 

No rough idea yet. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Aug 07 2017 15:28
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 503

OK, than we presumably won't  get it  before Christmas

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Posted on Mon, Aug 07 2017 15:35
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 9480

Like I said before: 

"We're really busy here in Vienna, and will keep you up to date!
Thanks for your patience, it will be worth it!"

Announcements will be made in time 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Aug 07 2017 16:14
by Pro-Arte
Joined on Thu, Feb 13 2003, Nice France, Posts 174

Merci, Paul !

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Posted on Thu, Aug 10 2017 19:31
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 324

Given that VSL has many Strings Libraries, i.e. (Solo, Chamber, Orchestral, Appassionata, Dimension) , I'm curious to know if we will have Synchron versions of these libraries ? or will VSL be planning a different organization / titles for the upcoming Synchron Strings Line of Libraries ? 

I'm patiently waiting for the first release of the new Synchron Strings Library, and have no doubts that it will sound spectacular, beautiful, and very realistic. 

Also curious to know if we will see VI-Pro 3 in the near future ? 

Posted on Fri, Aug 11 2017 01:41
by Lotias
Joined on Tue, Sep 20 2016, Posts 16

This is what I'm wondering as well - what kind of section sizes for strings will we be looking at? Of course solo strings are expected, but I'm curious if there will be chamber sections as well as orchestral sections (not really interested in larger symphonic sections like Appassionata).

Posted on Fri, Aug 11 2017 05:27
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 249
Oh no ... please don't waste production-time in recording just another SoloStrings-Section again ...

When I read that EW announced a new choir, I was so excited. To read such an announcement from VSL would be so much more exciting!

Regarding to String-Ensembles (and Realism) ... I guess it is more logical to expect divided Sections. But even then the Dimension-Concept will be the most realistic since Sections always play at the same Starting-Point while all Dimension-players have changing StartingPoints with every Key you play. This Is so cool! It would be a greater benefit to have a dry Dimension-Violinssection of 6 Historic-Violins and a Solo-Viola da Gamba.
Best
Lars
Posted on Fri, Aug 11 2017 06:06
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 324

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
Oh no ... please don't waste production-time in recording just another SoloStrings-Section again ...

When I read that EW announced a new choir, I was so excited. To read such an announcement from VSL would be so much more exciting!

Regarding to String-Ensembles (and Realism) ... I guess it is more logical to expect divided Sections. But even then the Dimension-Concept will be the most realistic since Sections always play at the same Starting-Point while all Dimension-players have changing StartingPoints with every Key you play. This Is so cool! It would be a greater benefit to have a dry Dimension-Violinssection of 6 Historic-Violins and a Solo-Viola da Gamba.

I don't think a Synchron Solo Stirngs library is any waste of time, but quite the opposite, I feel it is an important part of the Synchron Strings Line up.  

Posted on Fri, Aug 11 2017 06:53
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 249
Maybe it is as important as the Solo Strings are right now for the Dimension Strings. But it will take hell of time ... especially the editing. In this case it will definately take several years until a whole Synchron Orchestra is ready. (And then the same game muted ... No)

If you are so patient to wait and wait ... no problem.

For me the Synchron-Series (which I collect too) are a great Option. But I am happy with the existing possibilities. And if the sound of the existing packages is not BIG and crunchy enough ... there is (not only) Soundtoys 5 ;)
Best
Lars
Posted on Fri, Aug 11 2017 13:53
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 503

It is pretty clear, that there will be no Synchronstage-dimensionstring Library, since the Microphoning-concept of both is simply not compatible. And I think there are already some statements like that by VSL-Guys.

I would expect that the Synchronstage-Libraries will "simply" replace the the former Core-Flagship the "Symphonic Cube". This is - however well done - already of some age and beside the new acoustic concept, there is a lot which might be improved from a nowaday point of view and available hardwarepower. 

In so far the Cube includes Solostrings but no Appasionatastrings I would expect again a likewise basic set of sectionsizes from (Solo, Chamber, Orchestral) and presumably each section as 1. and 2. Version to cover the regular divisi needs. And yes I expect that the project to replace the former Core-Library with a Synchronstage version will absorbe defenitly some time.

However I fully consent that historic strings and at least a full set of Vowels (instead of only A+U) for The VSL-Choir and Soloists will be very very wellcome.

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Posted on Fri, Aug 11 2017 19:09
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 249
Originally Posted by: fahl5 Go to Quoted Post
It is ...
However I fully consent that historic strings and at least a full set of Vowels (instead of only A+U) for The VSL-Choir and Soloists will be very very wellcome.


If EW really delivers a full choir who can sing in all languages and dialects, there will be no need for Vowels anymore. We'll see ... tension is rising.
It would definately be the product of the year for me if the quality of that choirs is a gamechanger. It did not buy the old EW choir as it did not convince me.

I'm always excited what Products VSL produces. But the market for string-Sections is heavily saturated/completed, while no one has offered a Full convincing choir yet.

Maybe i buy the Synchron Strings too ... but do I really need them to close a gap in my Sample-Collections? Nope!
Best
Lars
Posted on Fri, Aug 11 2017 21:50
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 503

@ Choir

OK EW developped a great "Wordbuilder" and it seems as if they have still improved it.... yes, that's interesting!I am very curious, if EW still include (also improved/?) Soloists in their new EW-Choir and if they were also wordbuilding now. 

VSL Vocals do not need any "Play" or "Kontakt" what makes everything very much easier. and thats why they are able to provide a lot of musically reasonable and versatile "articulations".  No improved EW-Wordbuilder will keep me from waiting to get the current "U+A"-VSL-Vocals for all Vowels:(german:) "E, I, O", perhaps "Ü", Ö"and to be complete: "Diphtong's"

@ Strings

Oh there are many strings But in my humble ears most of them leave more than enough "gap's" to do all kinds of symphonic music with samplelibraries.

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Posted on Thu, Aug 17 2017 10:50
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 28

Hi

I bet the next one will be Synchron Piano. However, I hope I'm wrong. I'd really like to see Synchron Solo Strings first.

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Posted on Thu, Aug 17 2017 11:00
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 249

No. Since there are photos of Taiko-Recordings I think they're bringing a second Percussion-Package first. And after that something else ... ( boys choir, boys choir, boys choir )

Best
Lars
Posted on Thu, Aug 17 2017 12:27
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 503

Oh the Synchron-"Bonus-Taiko" is already on my SSD

However let them finish their Synchron Orchesra, I'd be very surprised if that leave them very much time for many other Projects however interesting they would be if VSL would d them.

@ Boyschoir I assume producing a boyschoir on VSL-Level is likely to be one of the more serious forme of musical torture aswell for the kids which would be scarccly fascinated for a very long time to record all articlations in all dynamic layers in every available pitch seperatly as for those who are trying to get clean intonated samples in VSL-Quality from those sooner or later bored or tired choirboys.

so if you have an open heart for those poor boys better whish more vowels for the exsiting Choirs and soloists. They've done a great job for a & u and so they will do for e, i, o

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Posted on Thu, Aug 17 2017 13:10
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 249

They're on my SSD too ;) but only Std.-Version.

If I had to bet what comes somewhere between the Synchron releases I would bet on extended Versions of Dimension Brass and Strings. When Herb tells a user that a product is planned, it takes normally 1 year max. until we see a release. Last december he confirmed that Dimension Brass 1 is planned. I did not expect this. 

see here ...

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t42473-Dimension-woodwind#post256011

I heard a demo of a Choir-Library called VOXOS wich is VSL-quality (for my ears). Good Legatos and nice Voices! It contains Boys too. The new EW-Choir has no Boys anymore ... that's why I decided to look for a Boys Choir option now. Price is fine, but Kontakt  ... better than nothing 

Best
Lars
Posted on Thu, Aug 17 2017 13:31
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 503

Voxos Boy choir yes, VSL-Quality no

There are more developped Boyschoirs in SOUNDIRON Olympus (Marcury), and the Virharmonic Czech Boyschoirs both even with Phrasebuilder, which the Voxos Boys do not have.

VSL-Quality means musically extraordinary, I do not see any Choir in this quality out there, thats why I miss the last 3 or 4 Vowels to be done for the VSL Vocals which made them able to reflect the different sond of different Textvowels.

More Dimension libraries ? I fear the Synchron-Concept will replace most of the plans like that since it will not be very compatible with the Mir+Dimension-Library-concept.

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