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Posted on Mon, Dec 25 2017 14:02
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 9865

Hi Steffen, 

Happy that you're happy!

We have really learned our lesson about announcements with Synchron Strings I, so this is just my personal estimation and NOT binding.

1) As soon as possible. Editing those legatos is a pretty monstrous task, but I am guessing February. 

2) I will be showing the Synchron Player at NAMM Show, and there should be videos available before that. Can't give you a release date just yet. 

3) Problems will occur only with insane tutti chords and the FULL Library with all mics open. 

Ways to optimize streaming performance, also mentioned in the videos and the Setup Guide:

- Use the ROOM-Mix Presets to compose, then switch to the Ensemble Projects for mixing
- OR mute some channels you don't need in the VE Projects and add them for mixing
- Don't use Velocity XFade if not necessary
- maybe deactivate Release Samples for composing
- use the dynamic matrices when using Velocity XFade. 

4) The Synchron Player has a new approach of organizing samples and some great new features that I will explain with examples as soon as possible. But regarding streaming we are "stuck" with the technical possibilities. 

Happy holidays! 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Dec 25 2017 14:47
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 83

Originally Posted by: christof Go to Quoted Post
Maybe my programming wasn't good enough.

What's this weird violins pan things @1'50" ? 1st are moving from quite left to center...

Posted on Mon, Dec 25 2017 15:14
by hakan.glante
Joined on Sat, Feb 03 2007, Gothenburg, Sweden, Posts 64

Will Synchron Strings II be a Con Sordino update or more articulations/dynamics/legato/vibrato styles?

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Posted on Mon, Dec 25 2017 16:02
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 588

Originally Posted by: hakan.glante Go to Quoted Post

Will Synchron Strings II be a Con Sordino update or more articulations/dynamics/legato/vibrato styles?

If you look at Solo, Chamber and Dimensionstrings it has at least been hitherto a VSL-Concept to provide nearly  a full set of Articulations in sordinoversion as Volume II. Nevertheless this time there seem to miss at least also some more "experimental" patches, like Sul pont and Harmonics which were hitherto always covered by former VSL-Libraries.

So my personal guess would be, that a SynchronStrings II would primarily cover those types of articulations. Meanwhile it seems to me that the Legatos and Dynamics and Vibratos are already in Synchron Strings I with a bunch of variations and their combinations quite well represented. So let us explore what is already there first before asking for more.

http://klassik-resampled.de
To be serious: Is there any greater resource of sample-based recordings of classical music out there?
Posted on Mon, Dec 25 2017 21:21
by Laurence
Joined on Sat, Apr 03 2004, Posts 10

VSL support answers me one hour after my question on Christmas day!! Brilliant and thank you. 

Posted on Tue, Dec 26 2017 17:50
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 9865

Hi,

We have just uploaded a new version of the Synchron Basses Standard Library (V2). 

To avoid unnecessary traffic: You DO NOT need to download this new version if you have already downloaded v1 and applied the quick Library Update

Hope you all enjoyed your holidays!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Dec 26 2017 18:01
by msanioura
Joined on Wed, Aug 03 2016, Posts 10
Paul, I think you mean SYNCHRON Strings..:)
Posted on Tue, Dec 26 2017 18:02
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 9865

Thanks, you are of course right! Corrected 

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Dec 26 2017 18:27
by Tensivity
Joined on Sun, Dec 16 2012, San Francisco California USA, Posts 254

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Ways to optimize streaming performance, also mentioned in the videos and the Setup Guide:

- Use the ROOM-Mix Presets to compose, then switch to the Ensemble Projects for mixing
- OR mute some channels you don't need in the VE Projects and add them for mixing
- Don't use Velocity XFade if not necessary
- maybe deactivate Release Samples for composing
- use the dynamic matrices when using Velocity XFade. 

I've found that it helps to reduce the Default Preload size in VIPro settings to the minimum that will work with the piece at hand.  This fixed most of my glitch problems.

An SSD is a must as well.

Michael

Posted on Tue, Dec 26 2017 19:52
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 588

Originally Posted by: Tensivity Go to Quoted Post

I've found that it helps to reduce the Default Preload size in VIPro settings to the minimum that will work with the piece at hand.  This fixed most of my glitch problems.

Yes of course.But in a former Posting Paul recommended for Synchron-Strings not to use the lowest Preloadsetting but only 8192 to ensure no performance problems with "insane tutti-chords".

With 1536 I would presumably have no problem to load the whole Synchron-series to come. But if I understand Paul right, for not to "insane" regular use 4096 or even 3172 Samples Preload might work aswell.  However his list of alternative performance optimzation is still interesting whenever any hardware resource runs short.

http://klassik-resampled.de
To be serious: Is there any greater resource of sample-based recordings of classical music out there?
Posted on Wed, Dec 27 2017 07:32
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 29
Hi Paul:
 
 
 
 Legato,
is not as good as I think.
Is it vipro2 can't do Legato?
Posted on Wed, Dec 27 2017 09:55
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 588

Originally Posted by: yilalatavsl Go to Quoted Post


 Legato,
is not as good as I think.
Is it vipro2 can't do Legato?

Have to tried to raise the Relasetime above the default 63? Try something like 70-72.

http://klassik-resampled.de
To be serious: Is there any greater resource of sample-based recordings of classical music out there?
Posted on Wed, Dec 27 2017 19:38
by clamnectar
Joined on Sun, Jan 11 2009, Toronto, Posts 83

Just want to say bravo. I find this new library quite inspiring, and a lot easier to use than dimension strings. I'm a little lazy and it's nice when something sounds great with minimal effort :)

Posted on Thu, Dec 28 2017 13:18
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 29
 Something's wrong with the legato, true. 
 
Posted on Thu, Dec 28 2017 13:30
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 29

Wait for Synchron Player

Posted on Thu, Dec 28 2017 13:42
by kuikui
Joined on Tue, Oct 20 2015, Posts 1

Legato did not reach the ideal effect, still need to be improved!

Posted on Fri, Dec 29 2017 01:02
by V_ad_im
Joined on Fri, Feb 25 2011, Posts 79

Hi VSL,
thank you for very good short notes in SY Strings! Very sweet!

Best regards,
Vadim

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Posted on Fri, Dec 29 2017 11:52
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 588

Originally Posted by: V_ad_im Go to Quoted Post

Hi VSL,
thank you for very good short notes in SY Strings! Very sweet!

Best regards,
Vadim

Cute example. Which microphoneposition(s) did you used? To me it sounds even a bit to dry, (but I am sure you did not work that much for the mix while you are only testing the agility of the short notes).

http://klassik-resampled.de
To be serious: Is there any greater resource of sample-based recordings of classical music out there?
Posted on Fri, Dec 29 2017 12:22
by V_ad_im
Joined on Fri, Feb 25 2011, Posts 79

Originally Posted by: fahl5 Go to Quoted Post

[ Which microphoneposition(s) did you used?



It is RoomMix. Yes, you are right - it was a quick night sketch :) In my opinion, additional layered divizi strings needed for escape "one big violin playing" feeling. (VSL DS or LASS or divizi mics from EW HS) For detailed test I need to setup a full template with all CC/keyswitches tuned, so, may be I will waiting for SY Player for it.

Posted on Fri, Dec 29 2017 15:44
by MMKA
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Posts 196

V ad im, nice demo. It showed something of the very good qualities of Synchron Strings 1, absolutely. And a nice piece also. Thank you. And something that surprises me: despite the fact that there is no layering in it, that "big one violin" feeling is not so present in my ears here as it was at earlier demos of string libraries of VSL. Nice to hear that...

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