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Posted on Mon, May 14 2018 19:41
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 392
Goddamn ... you are fast...
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Posted on Mon, May 14 2018 19:47
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 391

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
I asked a fortune teller. She gave me a brandhot releasedate in July.

NO.. Please Not July, and Not June !  Hopefully this month ... May, please please ! 

You need to find a new fortune teller.  

Posted on Thu, May 17 2018 12:28
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 74

Hi

I've noticed that the Legato-Vib and the Legato-NoVib patches are louder than the Legato-Lyr. Is it normal or am I missing something ?

Best,

David

iMac 21.5, i7 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Steinberg UR44
Cubase Pro 9, Finale 25
Vienna Super Package, Vienna Software Package
Posted on Fri, May 25 2018 15:59
by Spoilsman
Joined on Sun, Oct 23 2016, Posts 20

Originally Posted by: muziksculp Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
I asked a fortune teller. She gave me a brandhot releasedate in July.

NO.. Please Not July, and Not June ! Hopefully this month ... May, please please !
You need to find a new fortune teller.


Soon. It will be soon.

Posted on Fri, May 25 2018 22:34
by V_ad_im
Joined on Fri, Feb 25 2011, Posts 86

Originally Posted by: Spoilsman Go to Quoted Post
Even when we get it, the legato will remain so bad it has to be hidden with legato blur. Everybody should demand a refund, or VSL should do the right thing and refund all early adopters, because we were misled.


Player is a very complex product - as partitionaly programmer I understand, that it can take an unpredictably lot time for tweaking, so ok, I ready to wait for a tested and tweaked version - it is not a problem, we can use this library with ViPro/VePro just now.

But with what is written about legato - I agree, it is a big problem. For now SY "legato" (exerpt slur mode) sounds as a keyboard scripted legato, not as legato of stringed instruments. Compared to DS, this is not "revolutionary Legato Performances excel with a newly heightened realism", as we have read on the SY webpage in a prepaid period,  but a step back to the early 2000s.

It is necessary to additionally record the necessary samples to legato began to sound at least as in Dimension Strings library - we know, VSL can and know how to make a string legato!
In my opinion, strategically now it would be more important to "save" SY Strings by releasing no Sy strings FX, but a Sy strings legato addendum, so that this library would like to be used, not moved to a spare hard disk and be forgotten..

Sy strings buyers, lets go to collect 5 euros each for the Synchron string band to play several examples live for the VSL team so they can finally hear the difference between 'keyboard' SY and live strings legato?)

Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 07:45
by Sovereign
Joined on Sun, Nov 05 2017, Posts 19

Originally Posted by: V_ad_im Go to Quoted Post
Sy strings buyers, lets go to collect 5 euros each for the Synchron string band to play several examples live for the VSL team so they can finally hear the difference between 'keyboard' SY and live strings legato?)
I think that's a bit unfair to say about the players who performed, who no doubt are very capable musicians. I believe there are several issues at hand as to the cause of the quality of the legatos recorded. One flaw I think is not letting the players play more 'organic', rather than seeking technical perfection per note. 

I'm not sure how VSL implemented the transitions in Synchron, but their original idea way back when they 'invented' it is the best, record the legato transition and the whole target note which follows. That's not what they did here, they seem to have recorded transitions only (I'm even not sure how much legato layers are in the samples) and faded them into the sustains. Now, while that can work fine also, other competitors have done this far far better. Even the aging Hollywood Strings. They really need to sit down and examine where this went wrong, especially since it is supposed to be "revolutionary". Heck, their own, older products have better legato than this.

Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 07:57
by V_ad_im
Joined on Fri, Feb 25 2011, Posts 86

Originally Posted by: Sovereign Go to Quoted Post

I think that's a bit unfair to say about the players who performed, who no doubt are very capable musicians.

 Sure, there are no claims to the performers themselves, I meant to let the VSL recording and cut team to hear legato sound in a live performance-maybe they have not attended live concerts for a long time and have been listening to strings only from their midi keyboards for years and forget how it sounds in reality..)

Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 08:43
by Sovereign
Joined on Sun, Nov 05 2017, Posts 19

Originally Posted by: V_ad_im Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Sovereign Go to Quoted Post

I think that's a bit unfair to say about the players who performed, who no doubt are very capable musicians.

 Sure, there are no claims to the performers themselves, I meant to let the VSL recording and cut team to hear legato sound in a live performance-maybe they have not attended live concerts for a long time and have been listening to strings only from their midi keyboards for years and forget how it sounds in reality..)

LOL, perhaps. Or, all they might need to do is examine at a few competitor products to see how it is supposed to sound.

Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 08:47
by V_ad_im
Joined on Fri, Feb 25 2011, Posts 86

Originally Posted by: Sovereign Go to Quoted Post

 Or, all they might need to do is examine at a few competitor products to see how it is supposed to sound.



Or even their own previous products)

Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 06:55
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 239

Originally Posted by: muziksculp Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

I asked a fortune teller. She gave me a brandhot date ... 29th ...

I don't know how reliable your fortune teller is, so I would rather hear from VSL directly. 

So today we might be able to judge the reliability ;)

VSL SE (no extension)
Sopranos, Flute2, Fanfare Trumpets
Synchron Strings
VI Pro + MIRx
Cubase 9
Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 07:08
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 392

 

... 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Paaaaauuuuuulllll ! Hau ihn raus ... 

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Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 20:00
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 392

Only two hours until twelve ...
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Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 20:01
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 392
Shit.
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Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 20:02
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 392
Double-shit!
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Posted on Tue, May 29 2018 20:06
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 392
BTW ... the time here in the community is weird.
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Posted on Wed, May 30 2018 02:11
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 376
You know, a watched pot of water never boils. Just forget about it and the player will be available soon!

Dave
www.dearvillainmusic.com - music for live performance by David Carovillano

www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
Posted on Wed, May 30 2018 05:13
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 392
Originally Posted by: Acclarion Go to Quoted Post
You know, a watched pot of water never boils.

Dave


Dave, you changed my life! Why didn‘t I realize this all the time? ... It is so easy! ...
I will tell this to everybody I meet today. 👍

Best,
„a better person“
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Posted on Wed, May 30 2018 06:48
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 239

The fortune teller seems to be unreliable!

VSL SE (no extension)
Sopranos, Flute2, Fanfare Trumpets
Synchron Strings
VI Pro + MIRx
Cubase 9
Posted on Thu, May 31 2018 11:38
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 41

I want to be civilized. I can't help it. Shit, synced string 1 and synced percussion 1 are down in the Pacific!!! Forget about them!!

Refund it VSL

Posted on Thu, May 31 2018 14:06
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 376
Originally Posted by: yilalatavsl Go to Quoted Post
<p>I want to be civilized. I can't help it. Shit, synced string 1 and synced percussion 1 are down in the Pacific!!! Forget about them!!</p>
<p>Refund it VSL</p>


You'll have to do a scuba diving recovery mission to get your vienna key back, and send it to them if you even want a chance to get a refund. As it is, there's probably a happy dolphin loading your Synchron libraries up right now on his water proof laptop...his only criticism of the Synchron strings is that they're drenched in very wet reverb.
www.dearvillainmusic.com - music for live performance by David Carovillano

www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
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