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SYNCHRON STRINGS I

SYNCHRON STRINGS I include all these instruments?

The sections of 1st violins (14), 2nd violins (10), violas (8), cellos (8), and double basses (6)

Hm, you know the Berlin Strings than so you will know that their 

• section size is something between an a bit to small symphonic or a bit to large chamber ensemble
• it comes without any real recorded con sordino samples at all.
• and it has not more mic-posittions then the standard version of the SyStr. and
• ithas just half of the amount of velocitylayers ( not to talk abot the large amount of Variants recorded for each articulationtype in SyStr.)

The Berlin Strings Articulationlist seems to be impressive on the first glance, but as far as I understood VSL SyStr. is nothing more than a Volme 1.

I am pretty sure that a Volume II will include not only an original sordino articulationset as we know it from VSL (I expect also the Sul Pont, Sul Tasto, Harmonics articulations we have got for all previous VSL stringlibraries).

But yes the different legatotypes seem to be not that different if you compare just the names. But again when it comes to recorded Variants and Vel.Layers the SyStr seem to provide that much more real recorded details of the stringsound that scripting must not so much alter synthetically the recorded Stringsound as it seem to me pretty audible the case for the Berlin Strings

However Lets wait what the audible reality of SyStr will be, since technical details and features are one side. Viennese Strings another

Any first reactions to Synchron Strings I? 

I have a lot of other VSL libraries along with MIR and the Synchron stage pack so I'm a little leary of jumping in without having more information about what this will do that what I already have won't. The new Synchron player appears to be a key element and we don't know when that will be available. 

Snything that simpliefies the process and makes it more intuitive is great but sure would be nice to hear what you think.

Geoff

Originally Posted by: tek0010

Originally Posted by: jc5

Originally Posted by: nektarios

Can someone explain what this means from the product info page: "We’ve developed a new sampling process wherein all performances are recorded and edited at 'fixed gain'"?

I am assuming it means that the natural dynamic levels of each layer are captured in relation to each other so that the correct dynamic range of the instrument is preserved, also preserving the natural balance with the other instruments.

VSL's position is that that "natural dynamic levels" and "correct dynamic range" cannot be provided by sample libraries, because they are somehow subjective concepts:

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I'm a mixing music professionally since almost 30 years now, and I've not once felt the necessity to stick to any kind of rule for finding a good balance between all the elements involved  (... "good" in the sense of: Plausible and pleasing, not according to a code).

And in those cases where the balance wasn't _that_ good in the end, a list of values wouldn't have helped a lot, believe me!   

;-)

To coin a phrase: When we talk about the "realism" of virtual orchestration (or any kind of recorded music, actually), we don't mean the raw, merciless realism of a surveillance camera, but rather the well-shaped, thoroughly designed and edited visual impression of a movie.

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There's no formula to define "the" microphone (or a human ear drum in the real world.), though. Two types of microphones will give you different results, even when they're put in the the same position. Two audio engineers will create differernt results when asked to re-create their impressions (or their idea) of an orchestra playing in a certain space.

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... a presumed "scientific volume" of an instrument on a stage. So many variables with fuzzy definitions: Which instrument? Who's the player? What notes were played? ... And: Who has been listening?

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t41142p2-MIRx-natural-volume-without-MIRx?=#post247133

I had discussion before some years ago, I don't remember if it was on this forum or another one and I do remember that was the position VSL took - however I hope that has changed.  New experience and technological advancement over time bring new possibilities.  If they didn't then why make a new library of instruments already covered?  

In general dynamic relations can have many variables - but the variables in this case are pretty cleanly defined, and from where I'm watching it seems to be by design.  The instruments are being recorded in position in the same hall - based on the diagrams it seems the plan is very much to fill out the whole orchestra with their seating intact in relation to each other.  The array of microphones will be in the same position for all, and I would assume they will be the very same microphones each time.  Based on this setup the relations in dynamics between layers and between different instruments (including the effect relative distance plays) is very much measureable, and I would say extremely relevant.

In the end it begs the question - if this is not what they are doing, then what on earth does the "fixed gain" mean?  Just to have uniform volume within individual dynamic layers?  That's not terribly exciting.. because VSL has done a good job of that since the very first library.. it hardly seems like something to advertise as a new feature..

It is certainly my hope this is what they are doing - I respectfully disagree that natural dynamic levels and correct dynamic range cannot be provided by sample libraries - yes, decisions have to be made, you obviously cannot cover every possibility of live interaction.  But then again these libraries are a snapshot of the Synchron players, in the Synchron hall, using the Synchron recording chain - so why not?  That correct dynamic relationships are perceiveable is hard to dispute - because it is so painfully obvious in its absence. 

Hi Sami, 

As usual, there will be a reminder about the Early Bird offer, right before the actual release of Synchron Strings I. 

Best, 
Paul

Hi to the forum,

When we buy the library, I'm guessing that even though the violas and DBasses are not ready yet, we still get them as part of the price, and still download them when ready? [ - like when Dimension Strings was released, they waited for the Cellos etc, but they were still included in the original price]. Sorry if this sounds a kind of stupid question everyone!

thanks,

Steve

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi Steve, 

We're working with high pressure on all string sections here in Vienna.

Yes, Synchron Strings I contains all the string sections listed on the product page: 1st violins (14), 2nd violins (10), violas (8), cellos (8) and double basses (6). 

Best, 
Paul

Thank you Paul,

that's great. I just wanted to be sure.

best,

Steve

I must admit, this seems to be an odd way to release a new library that everyone is excited to hear and learn more about. All we have is a little teaser trailer and a basic outline. I wonder if the marketing department are on holiday.

I was rather hoping we might know a little more by now. 

What worries me is the they mght suddenly turn round and say the library is released tomorrow, so you have until then to pre order it, whilst we have little or no more detail on it.

Of course it may well be that the library is being released later on November and whole raft of info ready to be  - but I do hope we will have a reasonable amount of time and a reasonable amount of information upon which to make a decision.

Hi mantrum,

Even there are still enough questions to be answered about what Sy.Str. will be What you call "a basic outline" is in my eyes already far more than you learn about the most other string libraries on the market.

You learn that already the sample content of this first volume is significant more deep sampled than any other Stringlibrarie on the market.

Yes it is a pre-order. If this does not raise your attention enough, you still can wait until it is available. Nobody forces you to enjoy the advantage of the preorder conditions.