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Posted on Thu, Oct 26 2017 05:05
by garylionelli
Joined on Wed, Jul 09 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 387

I agree with mantrum!

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Posted on Thu, Oct 26 2017 06:37
by HSM1
Joined on Thu, Oct 25 2012, Frankfurt, Germany, Posts 33

Originally Posted by: mantrum Go to Quoted Post

I must admit, this seems to be an odd way to release a new library that everyone is excited to hear and learn more about. All we have is a little teaser trailer and a basic outline. I wonder if the marketing department are on holiday.

I was rather hoping we might know a little more by now. 

What worries me is the they mght suddenly turn round and say the library is released tomorrow, so you have until then to pre order it, whilst we have little or no more detail on it.

Of course it may well be that the library is being released later on November and whole raft of info ready to be  - but I do hope we will have a reasonable amount of time and a reasonable amount of information upon which to make a decision.

He is absolutely right, I agree with mantrum!

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Posted on Thu, Oct 26 2017 17:45
by Piotr Katzpersky
Joined on Mon, May 11 2015, Polska, Posts 32

It seems that VSL marketing team is not very good in building tension. They started with an earthquake (8 velocity layers?! WOW), but nothing happened since then. That bird maybe flew out too early...

If I were VSL I will do this crazily annoying thing:

day 1 - new strings library from VSL

day 2 - 80 variations per note

day 4 - up to 8 velocity layers  - you can buy it now, promo price!

day 7 - awesome set of articulations

day 9 - all sections in one package

day 10 - mics, I see mics everywhere

day 12 - only 10 GB of data due to revolutionary compression algorithms ;)

day 13 - DEMOS!

With that I would have at least a sense of progress... I'm still waiting for day 13th though!!! ;)

Posted on Fri, Oct 27 2017 08:20
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

;-)

You forgot completlty the new Synchron-Player, I expect its feautures and completly new approach to program orchestrasamplelibraries will be enough for the next 14 Days. And I have the impression that we all know that this is something new comming that raises a good part of unanswered questions.

So here is my marketing suggestion: Just announce there is something overwhelming comming, avoid any further information, because since the Librarie is on the market no one will seriously read it and of course no one will ever be satisfied just with "information"

So until the librariy is available. simply play nonstop Charles Ives unanswered question 

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Fri, Oct 27 2017 15:48
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 545

Originally Posted by: fahl5 Go to Quoted Post

 ... completly new approach to program orchestrasamplelibraries will ...

... but what worries me a little bit ... If this whole concept is the better concept (compared to the dry recordings at Silent Stage) ...

Why has VSL not stopped recording the old way and recorded the Historic Instruments Collection in the same way (without multi-mic) at Silent Stage? Means 8 Velo-Layers, lots more Variants etc. pp.

 

BTW congratulations to 400 Posts ... Wow :D

Windows 11, Cubase 12

Posted on Fri, Oct 27 2017 17:57
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Hi LAJ here comes 401 (404 will be an error alert )

To control acoustic with the mix of several available microphonepositions is not that "new" in the market, it seems to me more or less standard for the most available samplelibraries (normaly with 3-5 different positions while non of them offer such a variety as Synchronseries does).

The historic Winds seem to have been the last in the silent stage recorded Libraries. I do not expect that there will be so much more new silentstage-libraries on the way. It is much more probable, that they are now continuing the synchronstage-way for the whole range of their products in the next years. And this is for many reasons very promising (how ever convincing and powerful the Siletstage/MIR combination was)

If I understood right, the "new approach" to program orchestrrasamples will make it more efficient to handle with the incredible amount of different patches VSL provides. In combination with the large amount of Microphonepositions there is a strong need to streamline the controle of the samplelibraries. If you have seen the VE-Presets for the Syncchron-Percussion you can imagine what a supercomplex setup it will be to use a whole Synchronorchestra with the former VI. Combine that with the large variety of different patches a VSL-Library usually provides for all Orchestral instruments you will have very much to organize and controle.

I am pretty sure the new Synchron-Player must be part of the solution how to streamline the incredible power such a Library brings. Yes I do have tons of Questions and we have already just some exciting indications what we could expect

"with a minimal need to switch articulations, and by moving just one or two preconfigured controllers." This at least sounds to me as if they might have listened hopefully at least a little bit to what I have already  suggested some years ago

It seems to be pretty clear, that the velocity X_fade will be improved and with 8 Layers might bring more realstic dynamic changes in each momemt of a certain note.

But however even if we are with all those indications already better infomed than about nearly every other Library available, there are of course for me still so much questions, which will be fully answered not before the Library is downloaded, installed and I have had enough time to explored it in one or another project.

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Fri, Oct 27 2017 19:05
by mantrum
Joined on Sun, Apr 16 2017, Posts 16

Well, I've just seen that an expiry date of Oct 31st has been put on the intoductory offer for Synchron Strings.

Are VSL honestly expecting to encourage people to pre-order when the only thing availble is a short video with a couple of the instruments playing for a very short while (40secs) againt the backdrop of some impressive percussion ?

Come on VSL, please post a couple of video/audio samples to help us make up our minds......

Posted on Fri, Oct 27 2017 19:21
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1150
The way it reads on Ilio is a bit confusing. The 30% off ending on October 31 relates to the String libraries. I think the Synchron Strings Early Bird offer expiration is a different matter. Paul can clarify this. I have never known VSL to withdraw an early offer before the product was well-demo-ed. Actually, I can’t remember an offer withdrawn before the product itself was available.
Posted on Fri, Oct 27 2017 22:09
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13478

Hello everybody, 

There will be more demos, and as usual, our Early Bird Offer will not expire until the release of Synchron Strings I. 

And of course there will be a reminder email to announce the actualy release of Synchron Strings I. 

Also, thanks for your patience, those last days and weeks are essential for such a big step, especially with a brand-new software. I actually can't wait to show you more, but we're simply not there yet.

Have a great weekend!

Paul & the VSL Team

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Oct 28 2017 09:57
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 448

Hi Paul,

 

Best Wishes to the VSL development team, I'm sure the new Synchron Libraries will be an amazing success, and Thanks for updating us on Synchron Strings I status. 

 I  Pre-Purchased  Synchron Strings I (Full Version),  I was wondering if it would it be possible to have an option to download the (Standard) version if that was needed to conserve drive space on a computer ? or am I restricted to only have access to the (Full version) ?  Basically, does the License for the Full verison give me the option to download the (Standard) version if the need arises. 

Thanks, 

Muziksculp 

Posted on Sat, Oct 28 2017 15:44
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13478

Hi, 

The Sample Content for the Standard and Extended Libraries for the Synchron Series is available separately, also in separate downloads. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Oct 28 2017 15:58
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Hi Paul

Here some more attempts to produce "unanswered questions" ( 404 Alerts)

Are you (VSL) already working on Synchron Strings II ?

Are you (VSL) already working on Synchron Brass and Synchron Woodwinfs ?

Will there be any Synchron Voices "once upon a time" ?

Will there be Synchon Solostrings ?

Will there be any more Silent-Stage-Libraries to come ?

any answer? ... perhaps just to surprise me

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Sat, Oct 28 2017 16:08
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13478

Hi fahl5, 

You need a magic ball or a time machine. If you find either one of each that is working, let me know 

Here's what I can tell you: We are working on Synchron Strings I. Like crazy. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Oct 28 2017 16:13
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 448

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

The Sample Content for the Standard and Extended Libraries for the Synchron Series is available separately, also in separate downloads. 

Best, 
Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the feedback.  

So just to confirm that I understand your reply, this means I have the option to download the Starndard version, even though I purchased the Full version.  

That's very good.

Cheeers,

Muziksculp 

Posted on Sat, Oct 28 2017 16:35
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13478

Hi muziksculp, 

Correct. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Oct 28 2017 16:37
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 448

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi muziksculp, 

Correct. 

Best,
Paul

Excellent

Thanks.

Posted on Sun, Oct 29 2017 11:43
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 545

 

Take Synchron Percussions I as an example: What you get is good, but compared to former times the Instruments are less. To reach the same amount of Instruments for all Sections will take years and years and years ... (if you see how long it took to finish the first both products, I would not hold my breath here.)

Regarding to Solo Instruments I see the difficulty of the "right placement in the Hall for everybody". Where would this perfect place be for Solo Strings or a Piano?

For the FIlm-Orgel I guess there will be a bigger investment necessary. If I am not wrong the Outputs are placed left and right to the big screen. For us it means that that the sound would come only from the left side.

I hope that there will be "surprises" too. In a hall like this "Epic-Brass-Sections" might have a really big epic sound. Just emagine that there would not only be recordings for Epic Horns this time, but also for Epic Wagner Tubas (8 Players). We all know their Power-Sound from Dimension Brass 2. That would be a Killer!

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Posted on Sun, Oct 29 2017 12:10
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

 What you get is good, but compared to former times the Instruments are less.

less????

What we get is much more but most of it "under the hood" (massive more velocity Layer, + Variants.)

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

Regarding to Solo Instruments I see the difficulty of the "right placement in the Hall for everybody". Where would this perfect place be for Solo Strings or a Piano?

Oh there are competitors who solved that "problem" with the concept of "First Chair" Strings for instance. With that concept the Solistic Piano will presumably be located in right in the middle in front of the Orchestra like the Pianosoloist in a pianoconcerto. (However I do not think that compared to complete the sections of a Synchron-Orchestra a Synchron-Piano would have any priority in the VSL-Pipeline)

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Sun, Oct 29 2017 13:59
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 545

 

Yes.

less = less "by number of instruments".

There is of course "more" inside a Percussion-Section.

Windows 11, Cubase 12

Posted on Sun, Oct 29 2017 15:34
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

OK, but even the Synchron Percussion is like the Synchron Strings just a Synchron Percussion I

To provide the same material so much deeper sampled is unevitably much work to do, give them "a little" time to complete, what actually just started.

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
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