PLEASE VIPro2 big picture !

[jediego]

Hello, I enthusiastically purchased several instruments then found Vienna Instruments Pro 2 not easy to approach




Its unique features and functions make it so different from other players and samplers I know


I am afraid not having grasped yet the whole picture of its architecture


Manual is a kind of commands summary, it’s clear for those who can already use the application, and tutorials make me sick because I cannot focus on a monitor within another monitor… while asking my self whether I’d need some lessons to learn this software or whatever..



Can someone clarify the hierarchy which holds samples, cells, slots, matrices, patches, articulations, performances, presets, and seq/patterns together into the software, please ?



Am I right considering that an instance is just the whole session that VIPro2 can manage at once?



If needs to play more instances, do I have to create a new channel into the DAW?



How can VIPro2 play more than 1 instrument into its sequencer if it replaces the previous instrument preset when try to load another one?



I see that the installation provided for further matrices which are not included in the list added when the preset is loaded


For instance, I have loaded from Instrument 36Oboe2- the first preset (01 0B2 Preset VIPRO): it added 10 matrices, but the Browser show 4 further matrices (3 runs and 1 legato-speed) available. I added a matrix and load one of those matrices. It operated a stretching while loading. Why there is something to be “stretched” if that matrix is done for that Oboe preset? And I why, after loading that matrix, no sound can be heard when playing the active keys?



I have tried with Patches from within the Browser… no load/save button… I tried to drag 1 Patch on 1 of that “mute” matrix slot: it filled all the slots on the concerned Y vertical axis….(Why? If want to modify one slot only?)

And for instance, how actually to perform executions transition (i.e. from plain sustained to fluttering) within a single note at the desired event time?


As for the the Vienna Ensemble software, on the other side, does it globally work as a kind of DAW ? Would it replace my usual DAW or can work besides?



As you can see, I almost navigate into the dark, any kind of support is really really welcome !



Best wishes,
 Diego


[Bill]

You should spend time watch all the videos for VI and VE:

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Vienna_Software_Package/Vienna_Instruments_PRO#!Video_Demos

 

The Vienna Player is NOT multitimbral; it connects to a single MIDI channel. Vienna Ensemble is a container to group multipul instance of VI into a Mutitimbral  player. It's not a DAW.

[Beat Kaufmann]

Hi Diego

Welcome in the family!

You should spend some time for learning "how to use all the software" to get out the most of VSL products.

For the first steps the following hints will probably be helpful...

A) http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vimidi/index.php

Here you can see the way of producing a piece of music. Insert a Vienna Player (Pro?) asyou would it do with other instruments in your Daw. Connect a Midi-Track to it and go then trough this short tutorial. You will learn how to navigate through the matrix and how you can select those matrices  

Important: It is not necessary to use the Vienna Ensemble (VE). I recommend you to start with some bars of a small orchestra (Mozart, Bach etc.), open for each instrument a VI, load the necessary samples and try to reach the typical sound by finding the correct articulations. 

Also important to know: The Vienna Instrument does not recognize Midi-channel information. So you need to use for every different instrument a new VI. In other words: 50 Orchestra Instruments means on the other hand 50 VIs.

B) The Vienna Ensemble is a hosting software. It can host VIs and effects. The question you may have "A host in the host (for example Cubas)?". This can have several advantages in certain situations. For example: It is possible to install and save a whole string section (inkl. effects, mix) in such a VE. If you have saved such "modules" you could build within a short time your desired orchestra: I need the Chamberstrings, a small Wind Ensemble and a small Brass Ensemble. You load those certain 3 VEs and voilà you have your orchestra on hand, allready mixed - all is done. If you have your samples on different computers the VE can handle this as well... it is easy with VEs when it comes to use the samples with MIR...

Attention: Here you need to give the Miditrack a certain Midi channel! Each place within VE, which hosts a Vienna Player is connected to a Midi channel. So signals which are going from Logic, Cubase etc. (from outside) into a VE need to have the midi channel of the desired "place" inside the VE.

Nevertheless, it is not necessary to use a VE in any case. I personally use VEs very rarely.

C) After having a more or less correct sound concerning the articulations the next big step will be to get those audio outputs mixed as close as possible to the reality....

Keep in mind that the correct use of samples is not a short matter. It can use years until you will reach the niveau of the demos you can listen to here... So "patience" is is important. If it is not too late you could wish some more from Santa or from the Christkind...

If you can find a user who could teach you some lessons you probaly could save a lot of hours...

All the best

Beat

[jediego]

Hi Beat, thanks for welcome and support

the introduction you made is clear and helpful, I just have some software bug to solve in the meanwhile, gonna follow the step by step asap

is the hierarchy as follows?

Vienna Ensemble/Vienna Instrument/Preset/Matrices/Patches (one patch = one slot of the matrix)

If Vienna Ensemble let to save files, do they include all the savings demanded in the folowing files into the directory for easy recall?

 

Beest,

Diego

[SJSF]

Jediego,

 

If you use VSL's presets the learning curve goes down dramatically. If you intend on designing your own instrument behaviors and overall template architecture, then I strongly advise opening VI Pro in standalone mode and using the CTRL+ALT+W feature. It's a life saving feature. I'm fairly sure without it I'd have died.

Layout patches in matrices how you want, set patch behavior how you want, etc. Then this hidden gem of a feature will let you do a "find and replace" to change everything from Horn to Trumpet. It does have a hiccup of not loading the new instrument's playable range. So you have to adjust that manually after the fact. But that's the only tedious clean up, which is far preferable to what I'm having to do with some Kontakt instruments I've been working on lately... for the past week...... 😠

 

Good luck!

-Sean

[jediego]

Sean, thanks for the help

I wonder whehter those hidden features (CTRL+ALT+W) are referenced in the manual or the austrians likely are more clever to encrypt in software design: the whole VSL “thing” is a hyper protected bunker with plenty of check points before reaching the targets.

Another thing I assumed to be true and apparently is false: I was sure to find a record button in the sequencer. No way to MIDI record within Vienna Instruments Pro? Just import MIDI files or create them by the means of a pencil tool !?!? Genius...

Ok, the quality of the library and the idea of accessing performance styles and articulations are both divine, but the whole tool is definitily hawkward. Can't find better word to describe it. Software design is an anglo american affair. It began with Alan Turing decrypting Enigma.

Best, Diego

[Pixelpoet1985]

Hey, this is indeed a cool feature (on a Mac you have to use slightly different keys).

The window shows a list of patches and then I have to type in some letters/numbers (?) where it says replace. But how do I make it?