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Posted on Thu, Jan 25 2018 17:39
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

GREAT NEW

At long last Logic is having build in Articulation Change 

Downloading 10.4

Let's see your commments

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Posted on Thu, Jan 25 2018 17:48
by GilP
Joined on Thu, Aug 31 2017, Posts 24

Hello Cyril,

Thanks for the report: release notes are here:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203718

I have to test it soon :)

Regards,

Gil (a french from Paris too/un français de Paris aussi ;-))

Posted on Thu, Jan 25 2018 18:20
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

Hello

I have remove the whole list ! Did not see the above post ;)

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
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Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2018 02:21
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

Hello

I am on the road about 4 month in a year ;  I want to leave my dongle in the studio.  

So the idea is to build an orchestral template that can use VSL or the Logic new instruments ; this with just a click

 

 I dont know yet if it is possible as I have not find the manual yet of the 10.4 add on

 

Andy :

- Are you preparing the files for the Articulation Changes of VSL in Logic ?

- The list of articulation seems quite limited, do you know if we can add more articulation ?

Best

 

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
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Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2018 08:36
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 312
You can add your own articulation sets.

Unfortunately, Logic only sends a single message for each articulation, so you can't bundle two messages to select a matrix cell. More than ever, we need a way to associate a unique CC value to each cell.

Paolo
Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2018 13:44
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 312
Maybe there is a workaround. If I’m not wrong, Logic can send a keyswitch with a particular velocity value or velocity range. Vienna Player can use the Keyswitch Velocity to select a row on the Y-Axis. So, maybe the single Note On + Velocity message can select a matrix cell.

Paolo
Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2018 15:48
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

Hello Paolo

I have been looking without any success for the manual of the add ons of the 10.4, did you find it ?

Best

 

Cyril 

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2018 16:09
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 10179

Hi guys, 

Yep, interesting news indeed. We will be looking into this right after NAMM Show!

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2018 16:12
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 312

Cyril, it seems Apple is gradually updating the online Help.

As for the articulation switch using KS + KS Velocity – IT WORKS!

I just have to reprogram my orchestral template… 8-O

Paolo

Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2018 16:29
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

Apparently you can define many parameters for an articulation number

Did you find the part explaining the articulation changes

What is bothering me is the limitation in the symbols see picture

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VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
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---
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--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
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Posted on Fri, Jan 26 2018 18:15
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 312

I'm experimenting with the new Logic. It's an incredible upgrade. The Score, however, is still very basic.

As for the lack of symbols, there is nothing one can do for the articulation representation. However, I've started using a trick to add the missing symbols: create a Symbols text style, and use it to add music symbols from the Mac Emoj and Symbols palette. It is not all that different than what you do with a dedicated notation program.

Paolo

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Posted on Sat, Jan 27 2018 03:11
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

It is very strange that we cannot add more symbols as a lot of majors ones are missing

I had a look into Dorico and I have found a list ( see attachements)

What is missing in Dorico is to add your own Articulation 

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System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
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Posted on Sat, Jan 27 2018 12:51
by GilP
Joined on Thu, Aug 31 2017, Posts 24

For info, Art Conductor for Logic Pro X 10.4 Articulation Sets has been released (although it doesn't include VSL):

https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/

Posted on Sat, Jan 27 2018 13:40
by Stig Christensen
Joined on Fri, Mar 18 2005, Copenhagen, Posts 85

This is wrong.

You can set your VSL Instrument to respond as this: X axis = Keys, Y axis = KeySwitch velocity. This works with 10.4.

Now you can use CC1 for VelocityCrossfade ;-)

Sorry this was already suggested!

Musicmind (Mind the Music!)
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Posted on Sat, Jan 27 2018 14:30
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

Originally Posted by: GilP Go to Quoted Post

For info, Art Conductor for Logic Pro X 10.4 Articulation Sets has been released (although it doesn't include VSL):

https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/

 

Can you see the all articulations in the score ?

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
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Posted on Sun, Jan 28 2018 00:39
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 312
Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post
It is very strange that we cannot add more symbols as a lot of majors ones are missing


Not so much. The score part of Logic (once Notator Logic) has been abandoned for years, in favor of a competition with Pro Tools. Apple has started developing again the notation part in the latest years, but in the meantime it has fallen a lot behind dedicated notation programs.

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Jan 29 2018 02:54
by Andrew James Reynolds
Joined on Mon, May 18 2009, Canary Islands, Posts 2

Is the new Logic articulation able to control VSL by combining note plus mod wheel or do we have to reprogram everything to work with velocity? I don't like the idea of having to use velocity, it does not seem the best way to do it.

Film & TV Composer based in Canary Islands and Ireland. Mac | Logic X, Ableton, Live Percussion, Guitars, Ethnic Instruments.
Posted on Mon, Jan 29 2018 03:10
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

Hello

The manual is not yet availlable !

But It looks like you can define many events for an articulation (As I am on the road I cannot check this)

I was able to define two actions for an articulation number

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Mon, Jan 29 2018 10:20
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 312

Originally Posted by: Andrew James Reynolds Go to Quoted Post
Is the new Logic articulation able to control VSL by combining note plus mod wheel or do we have to reprogram everything to work with velocity?

As it is working now, it only allows a MIDI message with the associated values. Among the other types, it can be a Control Change with the corresponding value, or a Note On with the associated Velocity value.

I find the Note On + Velocity bundle interesting, because a single message can select two parameters in VI PRO. For the way I reprogram the factory matrices, using a single universal articulation map, it may also speed programming a bit.

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Jan 29 2018 10:30
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2556

Paolo :

Did you try to put two events with the same articulation number ?

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
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