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LOGIC 10.4 now includes Articulation change
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Posted on Mon, Jan 29 2018 10:50
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 284

Cyril, I had not tried. I've just tried, and it seems that:

- only one of the three articulations with matching ID can be selected and assigned to a note event;

- only one (the first in the list?) seems to affect the articulation choice.

I would be very interested to see if this apparent fault (overlapping IDs) can be used for added flexibility!

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Jan 29 2018 10:54
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

I found a solution with a bit of Environnement

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Posted on Mon, Jan 29 2018 11:46
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

Another solution sending a note and a CC1 value

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Posted on Tue, Jan 30 2018 05:34
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

I have found the Manuel, it is in the Ebook, and if you have download an old version, you must UPDATE manually.

It is not done automaticaly ! in the Ebook header you must press the arrow down key and select the book you want to update. (all this time spend for nothing !!!)

In the eBook I have not found any indication on how to add more articulation symbol, neither to have multiples event on an Articulation

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Posted on Tue, Jan 30 2018 16:09
by lagranderson
Joined on Sat, Jan 31 2015, Posts 7

I upgraded to Logic 10.4 - for some reason the VSL plugin is not being recognized on my main computer after upgrading - anyone else experience this? (slaves have elicenser usb keys, main computer does not)  

Posted on Wed, Jan 31 2018 09:34
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

If you want to load VSL AU on the Main Computer you need an eLicencer key with VEPRO and VI PRO license

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System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
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---
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Posted on Fri, Feb 02 2018 06:38
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

Hi Paul

It' looks like that in 10.4 the support of articulation if VERY basic

- You cannot send multiple commands for an articulation, you must use the Environnement to do this

- Symbol list is limited to 31 articulations for all the instruments --> no Pizz !!!!! incredible but true

 

i have tried to find the list file of the articulation symbol list ! no luck 

I have post on the develloper list ! no answer !

Do you have any contact with Logic devellopers ?

Best

 

Cyril

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi guys, 

Yep, interesting news indeed. We will be looking into this right after NAMM Show!

Best,
Paul

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
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Posted on Sat, Feb 03 2018 19:57
by MassMover
Joined on Mon, Sep 29 2008, Posts 234

I had my own VSL templates using keyswitch vel for the y-axis for long, so setting up an articulation set that uses them was very simple.

I do not care too much about score symbols within logic, but being able to choose the articulation directly within logic by choosing the articulation name from a drop down menu is quite an improvement over having to insert keyswitches manually, let alone remembering them all.

 

HOWEVER:

Logic seems to send the articulation information (ie: keyswitch) along with every midi note. There seems to be no intelligent algorithm that checks if the ID is different from the one that was played before.

I wonder if this is somehow affecting the midi performance, as each noteOn event now consists effectively of two midi messages.

Posted on Sun, Feb 04 2018 02:10
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

Hello PaoloT

I have been starting to modify my Environment to use Articulation Changes

I am getting weird result !

I have creat an Instrument, a Multi-Instrument and a software instrument, I have assign an Articulation Table (tried with Logic's Violin and with a new one forVSL)

In my test I play a single D3, some times the note is played twice, some times it play the articulation note, sometimes not. It is not at all relayable !!!

Are you experimenting this kind of problem  ? 

Best

 

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
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Posted on Sun, Feb 11 2018 20:03
by TheJo
Joined on Sun, Apr 07 2013, Posts 9

Any other Libary based on Kontak5 works with Logic´s new keyswitch, only VSL not ! Even Logic´s Libary make it easier to work with keyswitching then VSL ! 

Why the VIENA Support don´t give a answer or a Update for this problem with Articulation-Set ? 

Posted on Sun, Feb 11 2018 21:43
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

You can define your own Key-switches

I have solve the problems I spoke before

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sun, Feb 11 2018 22:45
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 284
Cyril, I'm not sure why you are introducing an additional layer of complexity with the environment. Couldn't you just use something like the Note On + Keyswitch Velocity combo to select articulations?

Paolo
Posted on Sun, Feb 11 2018 23:08
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

I have not find a way to send the X and the Y of the different Mtraix

I convert the velocity of the Articulation to give the 2nd value
I use the best preset for each instrument

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Mon, Feb 12 2018 02:23
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 284
Hi Cyril, but isn't it easier to edit the VI's preset? You can then save everything into a template.

Paolo
Posted on Mon, Feb 12 2018 03:14
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

Paolo :

The advantage is that if VSL is improving there preset, you just download them. With VI PRO there are quite a number of parameters !


If you need to modify all VSL preset it is a 6 months work and you will multiply by 4 the number of instruments. Also you will need much more memory !

The Environnement is very simple ! and you can fix the CC 7 and pan problem

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Mon, Feb 12 2018 19:03
by TheJo
Joined on Sun, Apr 07 2013, Posts 9

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post
Hi Cyril, but isn't it easier to edit the VI's preset? You can then save everything into a template.

Paolo

Yes, it´s easier and saves RAM-memory to work with the own articulations/own preset. And only to do is spend 6 sek. to clear the other articulations that you don´t need.

The environnement is a sulotions for you that i don´t wanna use ! Because i never work with environnement in Logic and i´m musican and not engiener for electronics. I need a smart way to work with this, like Logic´s "Studio Strings" only load a preset for articulations-keyswitching.

With other sample libarys it works too…

Posted on Mon, Feb 12 2018 21:17
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

Originally Posted by: TheJo Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post
Hi Cyril, but isn't it easier to edit the VI's preset? You can then save everything into a template.

Paolo

Yes, it´s easier and saves RAM-memory to work with the own articulations/own preset. And only to do is spend 6 sek. to clear the other articulations that you don´t need.

The environnement is a sulotions for you that i don´t wanna use ! Because i never work with environnement in Logic and i´m musican and not engiener for electronics. I need a smart way to work with this, like Logic´s "Studio Strings" only load a preset for articulations-keyswitching.

With other sample libarys it works too…

The problem is the limitation of the X axis !! 

If you use Dimension you need the Z axis

If Logic could handle no limitation on the number of cell and axis it will be great, but it is not for TODAY

For Violin the Y axis is CC 1 for the Brass is from C6 to E6 and from C7 to E7

For the Winds it is CC 1 1 and CC 1 127

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Tue, Feb 13 2018 10:31
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 284

I understand I'm following a different workflow. I've decided to make my own presets anyway, so I would have to edit them in any case. What I do is trying to have:

- a single, universal articulation map for all the instrument, by moving all keyswitches out of any instrument's range (my X-axis starts at the lowest C in the MIDI range);

- the lightest basic preset, to be integrated with additional articulations, prerecorded dynamics and runs only when needed.

So, what is offered today by Logic and slightly modified 'basic' VSL matrices is enough for me. But I don't use Dimension Strings, so maybe I can't see the problem with more recent libraries.

Paolo

Posted on Thu, May 31 2018 10:55
by brad12majors
Joined on Wed, Oct 20 2010, Posts 2

Sorry folks if I ask a dumb question: how can I use Keyswitch velocity for the Y-Axis? If I select "Velocity" the VSL uses the Velocity of the note being played and _not_ of the Keyswitch note.

Am I missing something?

Cheers

Posted on Thu, May 31 2018 11:41
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2533

Originally Posted by: brad12majors Go to Quoted Post

Sorry folks if I ask a dumb question: how can I use Keyswitch velocity for the Y-Axis? If I select "Velocity" the VSL uses the Velocity of the note being played and _not_ of the Keyswitch note.

Am I missing something?

Cheers

You can do that in the environnement :

You test if it is  a keyshift 

If yes you make a transformer that will convert the velocity value to a CC 1 0, or CC 1 50 or CC 1 127

If you cannot manage, send me a PM with yor email I will send you screen copies

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3
Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
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