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Last post Wed, Mar 21 2018 by Michaël G., 9 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Mar 16 2018 20:28
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88

I'm not sure which one of the VSL gurus uses a breath or wind controller but I am using an EWI. In a thread here it was mentioned to use CC2 for both Velocity crossfade and expression with some kind of altered curve on expression. Can someone share what they have found that works well? I'm playing with it but sure would help to lean on expertise and get the settings from someone who has been doing it longer than me.

Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2018 03:46
by Eloy Sherlock
Joined on Tue, Dec 04 2007, Valencia, Posts 24
Check out this video of Paul’s breath controller demonstration.
Breath controller
Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2018 10:55
by Michaël G.
Joined on Fri, Jan 25 2008, Posts 36

I also use an EWI to play the strings. CC 2 (breath) is enough for me to control dynamics. I usually make some manual editing at the end of musical phrases to make the sound stop smoothly.

Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2018 12:50
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12094

Hi, 

I have never played an EWI, but that's what works for me: Choose a nice way to control Velocity Xfade (CC2) with your breath controller and then find a way to play with Expression for nice fade-outs or additional boosts (most people I know will use a slider). 

The Hornberg HB-1, which I am using, lets you control up to 4 MIDI CCs with your breath, so one of the coolest things about this for me is that I can breathe OUT to control Velocity XFade and when I breathe IN I create a fade-out, controlling Expression. 

Lots of possibilities there with the new Hornberg Control Software. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Mar 17 2018 22:07
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88

Paul and all- Thanks for the info. The EWI works for me because I grew up playing saxophone so it's more natural than a breath controller with a keyboard. I do love the fade you are getting with the hornberg.

I've found the velocity cross fade alone to be less smooth than I'd like. I've been combining it with the expression and experimented with the expression curve. It seems to work well at .37 for me and feels more natural. We'll see if that holds as I work on other pieces.

I'm still not to the point where any of this works live but in crafting a midi performance where I can tweak it to get it where I need it to be, these tools are pretty amazing. Thanks for you're expertise and incredible products.

Hoping the MAS fix for High Sierra is around the corner. Had to go back to VEP 5 and re set up my template. It works but VEP 6 is a much more elegant interface. I know you and MOTU are working hard to find the solution.

Geoff

Posted on Sun, Mar 18 2018 09:11
by Minimidi
Joined on Thu, May 02 2013, Posts 12

Originally Posted by: Sing4doe Go to Quoted Post

I'm not sure which one of the VSL gurus uses a breath or wind controller but I am using an EWI. In a thread here it was mentioned to use CC2 for both Velocity crossfade and expression with some kind of altered curve on expression. Can someone share what they have found that works well? I'm playing with it but sure would help to lean on expertise and get the settings from someone who has been doing it longer than me.

I use a TEControl breath controller which I leave to sending CC2 as default. Then with TransMIDIfier I take the incoming CC2 stream and route it to multiple CCs, and all sorts of other transformations. TransMIDIfier is free and in my opinion a fantastic and extremely useful piece of software.

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TransMIDIfier provides convenient MIDI routing and virtual instrument patch switching and customization for the working musician. TransMIDIfier works by functioning as a "middle man" between the sequencer and the sample player. TransMIDIfier reinterprets the incoming MIDI data in powerful ways before passing it along to the sample player.

Posted on Sun, Mar 18 2018 18:47
by RLD
Joined on Thu, Jan 26 2017, Posts 68

Watch this one :

http://www.tecontrol.se/products/usb-midi-breath-bite-controller-2

a killer

There are many Youtube demo 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBgJFzHgMQk

Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2018 14:58
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88

RLD- Thanks for the info on TEC. Yes, one of the things I love about the EWI is the ability to add vibrato with the bite controller for certain instruments. Feels extremely natural to me. Unfortunately the VSL instruments weren't really conceived that way and I have yet to dig in and program some kind of cross fade using the bite sensor in VSL between no vibrato and vibrato sustains. I tend to try and create the flow of a line first and then add keyswitches later to refine a performance in VSL. I'm not that gifted at doing two things at once. I tend to combine multiple patches from different companies to play to all their strengths. The SWAM instruments from Audio Modeling were built for breath and wind controllers and combining those with VSL is pretty stunning. I'm very happy with the results but I'm always looking for ways to get a better sound. VSL is the rock I build everything on. MIR has been a game changer for me.

Posted on Wed, Mar 21 2018 07:44
by Michaël G.
Joined on Fri, Jan 25 2008, Posts 36

By the way, do you know the Sylphyo made by Aodyo ? I tried it last year and it might replace my good old EWI in a near future. It really behaves like a wind instrument and responds even to shaking. And of course it is wireless.

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