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Posted on Mon, May 07 2018 20:55
by al_lupo77
Joined on Fri, Jun 09 2017, Posts 51

I am a bit confused: In Synchron CFX I'm trying to get the "silent key" effect, but It seems possible only by extending the dynamic knob over 100%, and this makes the piano unconfortable to play.

Also, if I try the classic sympathetic resonance test (major chord held on with no sound and lower notes played hardly), but I can not really ear it... Yes, I read the manual and I'm using the Close mic :)

Am I missing something?

Posted on Tue, May 08 2018 13:07
by mobileavatar
Joined on Mon, Jul 25 2011, Posts 64

I would like to know how well "silent key", sympathetic and sustain resonance features work on the Synchron Piano also.

Posted on Sun, Jun 17 2018 18:47
by al_lupo77
Joined on Fri, Jun 09 2017, Posts 51

Originally Posted by: al_lupo77 Go to Quoted Post

I am a bit confused: In Synchron CFX I'm trying to get the "silent key" effect, but It seems possible only by extending the dynamic knob over 100%, and this makes the piano unconfortable to play.

 

Bringing thread up...

Any chance to get silent key in Synchron Pianos? Maybe in a future revision?

Posted on Mon, Jun 18 2018 06:11
by David B.
Joined on Tue, May 15 2018, Posts 45

What is silant key? It sounds like it wouldn't be a good thing. 

God Bless,

David

Posted on Mon, Jun 18 2018 07:02
by al_lupo77
Joined on Fri, Jun 09 2017, Posts 51

When on a piano you press a key very, very slowly, there will be no sound. Hammer move but don't hit the string.

Silent key in VSTs pianos replicates this behavior, producing no sound for very low velocities. If you are used to play a grand you feel unconfortable not to have silent key...

Posted on Mon, Jun 18 2018 07:08
by FabioA
Joined on Fri, Jan 13 2012, Posts 89

Originally Posted by: al_lupo77 Go to Quoted Post

If you are used to play a grand you feel unconfortable not to have silent key...




...really? :)

Posted on Mon, Jun 18 2018 07:16
by al_lupo77
Joined on Fri, Jun 09 2017, Posts 51

Yes.

(edit...)

 

To be more specific: the CFX is now on top list for a more realistic grand practice substitution, mainly because how it sound on complex pieces.

In my case I cannot access to my grand every day, but where I live during the week I bought an hybrid piano to have a realistic keyboard response. I practice a lot with this, but to get a more accurate feeling I use VSTs (obviusly).

Now, when you practice with trills or ppp parts the equivalent response on VST is essential. No silent key means... easier trills, so when I move on grand I'm not confident with them. If I practice with other VSTs (no name :) ) I get a more effective practice.

Sorry for the first short reply, I was in hurry.

Posted on Tue, Jun 19 2018 21:59
by karvala
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, UK, Posts 23

Depending on how you host Synchron Piano, there are easily ways around this.  For example, the free SAVIHost can host Synchron Pianos and thus the Yamaha CFX, and includes a builtin velocity curve editor which can with a single click-and-drag map all midi values below whatever value you choose to be remapped to 'off' and therefore not sounding.  There, you now have silent keys; job done. 

Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 07:04
by al_lupo77
Joined on Fri, Jun 09 2017, Posts 51

Yes, also in Studio One you do have the Input Filter, I can set Min Velocity to 2% and it works. But, as you said, this is a workaround. IMHO a piano with the quality level of CFX should not need workarounds...

Posted on Wed, May 08 2019 17:19
by cuzzinlouie
Joined on Sat, May 04 2019, Posts 3

Hi all,

I've just purchased the Concert D and I am loving it! Congrats to the VSL team!

Any news on the sympathtic resonance and the silent key? Currently these two issues along wih the missing velocity curve are the only things stopping me from also getting the CFX.

Thanks

Posted on Thu, May 09 2019 12:13
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11931

Hi cuzzinlouie, 

Glad to hear that you like the Concert D-274. 

No news on these 2 feature wishes yet, focus is still on VE Pro 7 right now. 

I'll do my best to keep you in the loop there. Luckily, the CFX won't run away. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 11 2019 12:30
by V_ad_im
Joined on Fri, Feb 25 2011, Posts 127

Originally Posted by: al_lupo77 Go to Quoted Post

If you are used to play a grand you feel unconfortable not to have silent key...



+1
I also want to have a silent key

Posted on Sat, Jun 15 2019 07:47
by hazend_18867
Joined on Mon, Jan 02 2006, Posts 12

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi cuzzinlouie, 

Glad to hear that you like the Concert D-274. 

No news on these 2 feature wishes yet, focus is still on VE Pro 7 right now. 

I'll do my best to keep you in the loop there. Luckily, the CFX won't run away. 

Best,
Paul

 

Hi Paul,

Is there any news on these issues - the only ones left in this superb piano!

Best

Roeland

Posted on Mon, Jun 17 2019 07:26
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11931

Hi Roeland, 

Sorry, no news there yet. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jul 24 2019 08:44
by hazend_18867
Joined on Mon, Jan 02 2006, Posts 12

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi cuzzinlouie, 

Glad to hear that you like the Concert D-274. 

No news on these 2 feature wishes yet, focus is still on VE Pro 7 right now. 

I'll do my best to keep you in the loop there. Luckily, the CFX won't run away. 

Best,
Paul

Posted on Mon, Aug 19 2019 17:18
by cuzzinlouie
Joined on Sat, May 04 2019, Posts 3

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi cuzzinlouie, 

Glad to hear that you like the Concert D-274. 

No news on these 2 feature wishes yet, focus is still on VE Pro 7 right now. 

I'll do my best to keep you in the loop there. Luckily, the CFX won't run away. 

Best,
Paul

 

Hi Paul,

VE Pro 7 has been out for awhile now, do you have any news for us?

You mentioned in another thread that the silent key is not going to be implemented. Is that a "never" or there is simply no ETA yet?

Regarding the sympathetic resonance, I would not call it a feature request. The feature has already been implemented, it just needs quite a lot more love. I noticed that in all demos showcasing any of the 3 synchron pianos the sympathetic resonance is always turned off. I guess that means that everybody is aware of it's shortcomings.

Kind regards,

Posted on Fri, Aug 23 2019 08:49
by hazend_18867
Joined on Mon, Jan 02 2006, Posts 12

Originally Posted by: cuzzinlouie Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi cuzzinlouie, 

Glad to hear that you like the Concert D-274. 

No news on these 2 feature wishes yet, focus is still on VE Pro 7 right now. 

I'll do my best to keep you in the loop there. Luckily, the CFX won't run away. 

Best,
Paul

 

Hi Paul,

VE Pro 7 has been out for awhile now, do you have any news for us?

You mentioned in another thread that the silent key is not going to be implemented. Is that a "never" or there is simply no ETA yet?

Regarding the sympathetic resonance, I would not call it a feature request. The feature has already been implemented, it just needs quite a lot more love. I noticed that in all demos showcasing any of the 3 synchron pianos the sympathetic resonance is always turned off. I guess that means that everybody is aware of it's shortcomings.

Kind regards,

Hi Paul,

I was the that wrote the post cuzzinlouie is refferinge to.

Could you please let us know if there's any hope the implementation of the silent key function could be on the list for a future update of the VSL piano libraries? As stated earlier, the Steinway D is absolutely superb, but it would be even better if it had the silent key function that the top competitors (all less great!) do have - Garritan CFX, all Synthogy piano's, all True Keys instruments, the Galaxy II...

Thanks for your answer in advance!

Best Roeland

Posted on Tue, Aug 27 2019 10:52
by hazend_18867
Joined on Mon, Jan 02 2006, Posts 12

Originally Posted by: hazend_18867 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: cuzzinlouie Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi cuzzinlouie, 

Glad to hear that you like the Concert D-274. 

No news on these 2 feature wishes yet, focus is still on VE Pro 7 right now. 

I'll do my best to keep you in the loop there. Luckily, the CFX won't run away. 

Best,
Paul

 

Hi Paul,

VE Pro 7 has been out for awhile now, do you have any news for us?

You mentioned in another thread that the silent key is not going to be implemented. Is that a "never" or there is simply no ETA yet?

Regarding the sympathetic resonance, I would not call it a feature request. The feature has already been implemented, it just needs quite a lot more love. I noticed that in all demos showcasing any of the 3 synchron pianos the sympathetic resonance is always turned off. I guess that means that everybody is aware of it's shortcomings.

Kind regards,

Hi Paul,

I was the onr that wrote the post cuzzinlouie is reffering to.

Could you please let us know if there's any hope the implementation of the silent key function could be on the list for a future update of the VSL piano libraries? As stated earlier, the Steinway D is absolutely superb, but it would be even better if it had the silent key function that the top competitors (all less great!) do have - Garritan CFX, all Synthogy piano's, all True Keys instruments, the Galaxy II...

Thanks for your answer in advance!

Best Roeland

Hi Paul,

It would be great if you could find the time to answer...

Thanks in advance,

Roeland

Posted on Tue, Aug 27 2019 10:54
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11931

Hi, 

Sorry for the delay, I am still waiting for response from our development team. 

We have to find out if this is possible the way you expect it to be, and how much time it takes. 

Right now, it is low on our priority list, and the demand seems to be low, 5 users so far. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Aug 27 2019 15:49
by hazend_18867
Joined on Mon, Jan 02 2006, Posts 12

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

Sorry for the delay, I am still waiting for response from our development team. 

We have to find out if this is possible the way you expect it to be, and how much time it takes. 

Right now, it is low on our priority list, and the demand seems to be low, 5 users so far. 

Best,
Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your answer! I understand the delay and I also understand why this will sadly have low priority. In spite of the low amount of users missing the silent key function, I do hope that VSL will go for perfection as that has always been the ethos of your company - and of all those great Vienese composers through the ages that helped develope the piano into what it has become...

Thanks anyway. I'll keep up the hope!

All the best,

Roeland

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