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Last post Mon, May 21 2018 by William, 8 replies.
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Posted on Sat, May 19 2018 19:29
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 518

What can I say? 🙏 ☺️

THANK YOU !
Posted on Sat, May 19 2018 19:59
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12169

Hi LAJ, 

You beat me to it with your announcement 
I'm sure that you will LOVE this one!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 19 2018 21:12
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5513

This sounds fascinating and I am really interested in the incorporation of the whole-tone-half-tone scale.

Posted on Sat, May 19 2018 21:32
by synergy543
Joined on Fri, Apr 01 2005, Posts 133

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

This sounds fascinating and I am really interested in the incorporation of the whole-tone-half-tone scale.

This is the octotonic scale originally coined by Rimsky-Kosakov (called the Korsakovian scale but used earlier by others including even Scarlatti and Bach ) and later used by Stravinsky and Bartok. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octatonic_scale

 However, I wonder where the term "Alpha" chord came from?

Greg (Gregory D. Moore)
Posted on Sun, May 20 2018 04:21
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5513

No it was not "coined" by Rimsky Korsakov - he merely used it.  It existed long before him.  For example in Spanish guitar music.  Also - your use of the word "coined" is meaningless - that word refers to creating a new word, not using a scale.

btw - don't believe everything on wikipedia.  There is no authority whatsoever from wikipedia.  There is no documentation, no peer-reviewed articles, no proof of anything on that internet source.  Anyone can post anything there.  They make feeble attempts at verification, but essentially it is an encyclopedia by amateurs. 

Posted on Sun, May 20 2018 05:49
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 518
Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post
Hi LAJ,
You beat me to it with your announcementI'm sure that you will LOVE this one!
Best,Paul


Zitat Paul K.
„... everything screams I want this. I always needed this. You probably know that feeling.“ 👍😎
Posted on Sun, May 20 2018 11:59
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 953

Originally Posted by: synergy543 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

This sounds fascinating and I am really interested in the incorporation of the whole-tone-half-tone scale.

This is the octotonic scale originally coined by Rimsky-Kosakov (called the Korsakovian scale but used earlier by others including even Scarlatti and Bach ) and later used by Stravinsky and Bartok. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octatonic_scale

 However, I wonder where the term "Alpha" chord came from?

I do have some doubts in the significance of identifying Rimsky Korsakov as alleged "origin" of this scale (as only the english Wikipedia does). It is nothing more or less than the scale belonging to the diminished chord which is not only used long before Rimsky-Korsakov by nearly all composers who know their tools. As far I remind their piano litarature Mozart and Liszt are such familiar with it, that they even need to be careful not to sound to conventional in using it what is very very frequently done in contexts of cadences for its ability to allo sudden changes to Keys a minor third up or down. Messiaens harmonic use of exactly this tonematerial also seemed to me some of his more conventional habits since he keeps with this scale his harmonic always open to return very fast in conventional functional harmony.

Nevertheless, even if this kind of material would be not that important for my more music-historic based projects I am moderat interested about this obviously for the first time more elaborate FX-Section, which will be of course very usefull for all film-composer, who try to make a step beyond the most frequent heard epic-bombast feature-film cliché.

Nevertheless I still wait for a comprehensive Synchron Strings II set with the imho much more used articulations "con sordino", "sul ponticellos", "sul tasto",  (and if they are really good also "col legno tratto" , )

And to continue screeming to Paul "We need the missing vowls for the singers!!!" Their tone is such incredible good, that it is a shame that we are still waiting for three (e, i o) of 5 Vowels to follow the musical changes of sung language).

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Posted on Mon, May 21 2018 13:35
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5513

Yes Steffen and Rimsky Korsakov merely used one of the many 8 tone scales. Most of his music was very normal diatonic/chromatic harmony.  Here is a good discussion of the 8-tone sccale being referred to - 

8-tone scale discussion

It mentions how interesting patterns occur, which is very true when composing short motifs.  

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