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Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 10:52
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 126

Hi Paul/VSL

In order to help us to deal with our disappointment about the new delay of the Synchron Player, can you tell us what will be the next library from VSL ? I know you don't like to talk about your future projects but it would be a nice reward. 

Best,

David

iMac 21.5, i7 4770S, 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Steinberg UR44
Logic Pro X, Finale 25
VI Super Package, Synchron Package, Vienna Software Package
Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 11:32
by TFIS
Joined on Tue, Dec 14 2010, Posts 103

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post

Hi Paul/VSL

In order to help us to deal with our disappointment about the new delay of the Synchron Player, can you tell us what will be the next library from VSL ? I know you don't like to talk about your future projects but it would be a nice reward. 

Best,

David

i think, the last thing we need are more promises...

Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 11:35
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 953

Oh I think there are enough things pretty clear to be in the pipelilne sooner or later.

Since the Synchron Series at least seems to replace the VSL Cube, be sure we will have

- Synchronstrings II (hopfull with Sordino, Sulpont etc.),

Of course we will see

- Synchron Woodwinds I and

- Synchron Brass I.

And as indicated

- more Synchron-Pianos (Bösendorfer & Steinway).

I dont know if we even might the get Synchronstage Organ. But sooner or later we will of course see the

- Synchron Percussion II,

- Synchron Woodwinds II,

- Synchron Brass II,

- Synchron Chamberstrings I+II

and of course

- Synchron Solostrings I+II.

So please do not start to be impatient about all that right now, since all will need its time to be done in VSL-Quality.

http://klassik-resampled.de ... 3648 mp3 with a whole Week (=7 Days /=171 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries

http://synchron.12sf.de
a) ...Synchron-Strings explored in 40 mp3 with more than four hours of complete and ambitious scores from 19th, 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Strings.

b) ...Synchron-Steinway explored in 48 mp3 with nearly three hours of complete and ambitious scores from 18th 19th 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Steinway.
Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 11:49
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 494
SY-Strings I
- Portamenti & Runs (Expansion Pack II)


SY-Brass I ... yeah, why not (Groups, Single ... all welcome)


SY-Wood ... is a different chapter than Brass. This can hardly be better than having all Woodwinds as Solo-Instruments available. I even do never use the existing Sections. Group-Recordings would not be interesting here (for me).
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Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 12:05
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 953

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

SY-Wood ... is a different chapter than Brass. This can hardly be better than having all Woodwinds as Solo-Instruments available. I even do never use the existing Sections. Group-Recordings would not be interesting here (for me).

"Synchron" does not mean Sectionwise. Afaik it means recorded in the orchestral right position in the Synchronstage, with the variety of Microphoneposition introduced with the Synchronseries.. And I  am pretty sure that you will have not only Solo-Woodwinds but as in the Cube Patches with 2-3 Flutes, Oboes Clarinets, Bassons etc..

The only thing which seems to be not that realistic in the near future is a "Synchron-Dimension"-Series making mixable each single seat of a section recorded with the whole Synchron Microphone-Setup. But who knows where we are with our PC-Power in 10 Years, when all possible Synchron-Series are already released and VSL is still going forward .

http://klassik-resampled.de ... 3648 mp3 with a whole Week (=7 Days /=171 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries

http://synchron.12sf.de
a) ...Synchron-Strings explored in 40 mp3 with more than four hours of complete and ambitious scores from 19th, 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Strings.

b) ...Synchron-Steinway explored in 48 mp3 with nearly three hours of complete and ambitious scores from 18th 19th 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Steinway.
Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 13:31
by mh-7635
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Posts 188

How about Synchron Dimension choir?

Every singer sampled with multiple mic positions, multiple vowels (all with 10 velocities), 5 Languages, and a selection of bad tunings in the highest register for the poor buggers who can't sing and still get drafted into the tenor section....like I was....

Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 13:56
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 494
For me there has to be a sellingpoint.

But it is hard to imagine how VSL will convince existing WW-users to buy a Synchron Woodwinds Package.

If I was VSL I would definitely „borrow“ the concept of Spitfire to record Flutes, Clarinets etc. in 2-1 combinations. When I saw this at Spitfire I thought: brilliant idea!

But then I thought ... it is a brilliant idea if you have no products and are looking for your 1rst Woodwinds Package.
The VI series allows to combine everything with everything ... so where / what is the sellingpoint for SY-Woodwinds for existing users?

I am sure, the Woodwinds product will be a good product, but I could imagine it will be the less successful SY-Package for existing WW-users.
Or VSL has a brutal masterplan ... possible ... 👍

And again ... the Brass is a completely different point of view, because here we will get what we are looking for: And that is POWER! I am convinced that the Horns for example will be even more powerful than Epic Horns with so many Mics in the Hall.

Let‘s see.
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Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 14:29
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 953

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
For me there has to be a sellingpoint. But it is hard to imagine how VSL will convince existing WW-users to buy a Synchron Woodwinds Package.

The sellingpoint is quite obvious:

1) to get a complete Orchestra including Woodwinds with the same likewise mixable Synchronstage-acoustic

2) Get Woodwinds likewise "deep sampled" (with likewise much velocitylayers like SynchronStrings or Synchron Percussion (which all have remarkable more Velocitylayers than the Cube libraries)

3) Get Woodwinds playable in Synchron-Player which is a great step forward in the concentration on musical reasonable workflow.

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
If I was VSL I would definitely „borrow“ the concept of Spitfire to record Flutes, Clarinets etc. in 2-1 combinations. When I saw this at Spitfire I thought: brilliant idea! But then I thought ... it is a brilliant idea if you have no products and are looking for your 1rst Woodwinds Package.

"bowrrow the concept of Spitfire" ????? are you kidding ? The VSL has had "Flutes a3", "Oboes a3", "Clarinets a3", "Bassons a3" already as Part of the Cude, when the Spitfireguys went to school and even did'nt knew at all what a "Spitfire" might ever have to do with Sampling and Orchestras, If ever anyone has "borrowed" anything than it was Spitfire imitating what VSL has already sold for years.

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

And again ... the Brass is a completely different point of view, because here we will get what we are looking for: And that is POWER! I am convinced that the Horns for example will be even more powerful than Epic Horns with so many Mics in the Hall. Let‘s see.

Funny idea of "Power".

OK I am glad that VSL is not Spitfire trying to sell their stuff with a kind of hypnotic boreout demos.

But still for me the "Power" of orchestral music is not its pure loudness (go for a decent compressor if this is all you are looking for), but the variety of musical convincing and touching colors. And to have more Velocity layers and more reasonable options to blend different kinds of samples is in my eyes the most important "Power" we could expect from a good Synchronseries (- meanwhile that of course includes, that strong colors and not only those of large Brass-sections will be more convincing to.)

http://klassik-resampled.de ... 3648 mp3 with a whole Week (=7 Days /=171 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries

http://synchron.12sf.de
a) ...Synchron-Strings explored in 40 mp3 with more than four hours of complete and ambitious scores from 19th, 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Strings.

b) ...Synchron-Steinway explored in 48 mp3 with nearly three hours of complete and ambitious scores from 18th 19th 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Steinway.
Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 14:54
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 494
Mr. Fahl,

what_I_mean is ... Spitfire recorded a set of 3 Players but made a 2-1-Split to give users flexibility.

Imagine ... If the VSL SY Woodwinds 1 came out and you would see that they only recorded 3 Players simultaneously without split ... Would you buy it? I would not, even with all the mics.

Are you still using the 3-Sections or are you combining like f.ex. Flute 1 with Flute 2 and historic Flute?? I like to combine. For me combining individual Players has outdated the 3-Sections. (Edit: I am speaking only about Woodwinds)

But it depends on what everyone wants and likes.
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Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 15:17
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 953

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
Mr. Fahl, what_I_mean is ... Spitfire recorded a set of 3 Players but made a 2-1-Split to give users flexibility. Imagine ... If the VSL SY Woodwinds 1 came out and you would see that they only recorded 3 Players simultaneously without split ... Would you buy it? I would not, even with all the mics. Are you still using the 3-Sections or are you combining like f.ex. Flute 1 with Flute 2 and historic Flute?? I like to combine. For me combining individual Players has outdated the 3-Sections. But it depends on what everyone wants and likes.

Of course in the Cube you always have had patches with Woodwing-Soloist and patches with 3 Players so there is nothing new with having the choice in Spitfire you already have had in Cube and of course will have in a Synchron-Woodwings to, since none of the orchestral Woodwinds is not meant to be able to play as soloist. So I do not see any reason why I should imagine that a Synchron Woodwind would not have likewse both options as the Cube and Spitfire and many others to.

(What I use depends on what sound most convincing, since I currently have nearly everything loaded in my templates I do have no necessity to exclude any option.)

http://klassik-resampled.de ... 3648 mp3 with a whole Week (=7 Days /=171 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries

http://synchron.12sf.de
a) ...Synchron-Strings explored in 40 mp3 with more than four hours of complete and ambitious scores from 19th, 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Strings.

b) ...Synchron-Steinway explored in 48 mp3 with nearly three hours of complete and ambitious scores from 18th 19th 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Steinway.
Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 15:31
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 494
We will see, if you are right. I am not so sure that Solo instruments will be included in this first WW-package.
I could imagine that VSL starts with a „Sections only“ Package and the Solists will be in a different package.

Again, we will see ;)
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Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 17:27
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 953

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
We will see, if you are right. I am not so sure that Solo instruments will be included in this first WW-package. I could imagine that VSL starts with a „Sections only“ Package and the Solists will be in a different package. Again, we will see ;)

No since Woodwinds are not likewise a Section-instruments like Strngs. Their regular tasks in an orchestra are often if not mostly soloparts. That was the reason, why they did not sold any "Dimension-Woodwinds". I am pretty sure that no one will sell Woodwinds without small ensemble and solo-samples. As Woodwind I of the Symphonic cube already included both solo and with 3 Players, this will be the same with Synchron-Woodwinds.

http://klassik-resampled.de ... 3648 mp3 with a whole Week (=7 Days /=171 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries

http://synchron.12sf.de
a) ...Synchron-Strings explored in 40 mp3 with more than four hours of complete and ambitious scores from 19th, 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Strings.

b) ...Synchron-Steinway explored in 48 mp3 with nearly three hours of complete and ambitious scores from 18th 19th 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Steinway.
Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 19:33
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5399

""bowrrow the concept of Spitfire" ????? are you kidding ? The VSL has had "Flutes a3", "Oboes a3", "Clarinets a3", "Bassons a3" already as Part of the Cude, when the Spitfireguys went to school and even did'nt knew at all what a "Spitfire" might ever have to do with Sampling and Orchestras, If ever anyone has "borrowed" anything than it was Spitfire imitating what VSL has already sold for years." - fahl5

That is so true Steffen, and you made a very good point!   And the solos are totally compatible with ensembles as you know.  

Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 20:12
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 494
Yes, William. Of course they are compatible. But let me ask you a question as you seem to disagree with the Spitfire 2-1 concept.

What exactly do you want to see in the Woodwinds Package then? To keep it easy let us take only the Flutes as an example.
How would you manage 3 Flutes to be recorded the best way and with the greatest benefit for everybody?
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Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 20:16
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 494
At least there are only 3 ways ...

3 individual Players
2 Flutes as an Ensemble/Duett and the third Solo (like Spitfire)
3 Players playing as an Ensemble

BTW Everybody else is asked too, as this - from my point of view - is a very interesting question.
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Posted on Fri, Jun 08 2018 21:32
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5399

I do find that interesting.   The Spitfire concept of a2 as an ensemble is weird, since with woodwinds  two solo instruments will sound exactly the same as an "ensemble" of 2  when doubled.  You will notice a difference though with 3 flutes ensemble.  Ideally,  if money is no problem, you would have three solo flutes sampled.  VSL pointed out a while ago that the Dimension approach with woodwinds is not really needed as it is not audible in comparison to simply using solos doubled.  I've found that the two separate VSL flutes sound perfect together.   But if you want three separable flutes and/or ensemble the ideal would be to just sample all three separately.  Of course you could easily have a template with four C flutes using the current VSL flutes, by using the transposition/pitch shift technique.  I did that on a concert band piece and it worked well. 

Posted on Sun, Jun 10 2018 04:35
by Pbest
Joined on Tue, Apr 03 2018, Posts 17

Oh, if another brand of Synchron Piano are to be released, I wouldn't hesitate to invest.

I'm excited just by imagining it.

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