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  • "Happiness" score + VSL based mockup by Uli Schauerte

    After weeks in a huff 😥because the jury of this year's Zurich film music competition would not nominate my ingenious score, meanwhile I feel able again at least to listen to it again and today I even published a youtube video presenting the score plus VSL-based "mockup" (first without, then including the given sound effects). Of course I do very much appreciate any expertly criticism. There's some further informations given under the Youtube screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhab9Wtvd9A

    Uli Schauerte, mail: uschau@aol.com website: http://www.uli-schauerte.de


  • Hi Uli,

    The least you could say is that your score is an example of great creativity in orchestration, sound and harmony. Even without the pictures, it is a pleasant and interesting piece of music to listen to.

    I'm familiar with the disappointment after not being selected. The contesting world is alas a small world: you often (far too often) meet  the same people as participants and the next time as members of the jury... It's a small circle and what's (who) in the circle, stays there. In Flemish we say: "Ons kent ons" (oder in Deutsch: "Uns kennt uns"). We know us! Even in my province I can't participate anymore, because all the prizes go to the same 3 composers, judged by the previous winners...

    However, don't let this be a reason to quit composing or to stay away from the so called professional scene. You're far too good for that!

    Jos


  • Dear Jos, I'm very thankful for the encouraging and warm reply. Maybe it's really a matter of "Ons kent ons" / "Man kennt sich", on the other hand: how can a jury consisting of 2 musicians who read scores and 2 film directors who don't, judge about 304 (!) orchestral scores within less than 3 weeks time ? So it might be both a matter of "Ons kent ons" and of "Ons kent ons niet".  Today I want to say thankyou, but also tell some news: This afternoon I dared to publish my score with the film for which it is so exactly tailor-made. Apparently there's no other copyright claim (which means: no real trouble) to fear but the usual notification saying that I'm not allowed to monetize the video and maybe have to accept advertising before it begins. I'm familiar with these claims (for I have published 142 videos meanwhile). Some of them I rejected successfully (e.g. because Mahler died in 1911 and so on) and some (as this one) I have to accept and live in peace with them anyway. So if you like to listen to my score again now combined with the pictures, go to

    All the best and thankyou again

    Uli 


  • I watched the short Movie with your Version and the Version on the official Youtube Channel. I think Your Approach is Way more creative, i do understand the Disappointment, the Piece sound like lot of Work You put in. What Im bit confused about is the Piece on the official Youtube Channel, which is a wellknoiwn (cant name it now) Piece, is this the Winning Piece ?

    Cheers


  • That is awesome, thank you for sharing!

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    Thank you very much, dear Markus ! By the way, we live in the same German town, right ? The wellknown music you recognized in the official video is mainly the Habanera ("L'amour est un oiseau rebelle") from Bizet's Carmen and during the Mickey-Mouse drug-trip you hear Grieg's Peer Gynt (I only know the German name of the movement: "Morgenstimmung"). The official video is the (as I learned: very successful) original one made by Steve Cutts (British illustrator) who apparently preferred to use famous preexisting music rather than a new composition directly written for his film. In other words: If the official version you found would be the winner, the price would have to be awarded to George Bizet and Edvard Grieg 😉😊 In earnest – the task within the competition was to compose a new tailor-made orchestral score for it. After paying the Teilnahmegebühr (participation fee) composers were allowed to download the needed version: music (Bizet/Grieg) muted, but noise effects (thunder, wind, squeaking rats etc.) maintained. I don't know if it was a must-see or optional to bounce these given noises into the composition, but that's what I did anyway. Again in terms of who will win: On July 6th they heralded who is the 5 finalists premiered on October 4th in Zurich. They had to be nominated out of 304 (!) competitors within 18 days – poor jury! I tried not to cherish illusions, but of course I was disappointed to land among the 299 losers ðŸ˜”  The winner who will return home with 10.000 CHF will be elected on the evening of the 5 premieres in Zurich. I'm very thankful for your encouraging comment. It's only since yesterday that I dared to upload my score with the film. The experience of being appreciated by colleagues is much more valuable than anything else.

    Kind regards and all the best

    Uli     


  • Hi Uli, Yes We are in the same "kölsche" Town. So I think your Piece is great Match to the Motion Picture. I have the feeling You really care about different Motions in Film and use a good Expression in Music. Then I heard the official Movie with wellknown Bizet Carmen Piece. I thought Ok, this is maybe the Reason that a Contest was made, hihi. The Bizet Piece dosnt work at all to this Motion Picture. But thats my Point of View. With Your Talent to make a very authentic and fluid Sound you should be a high paid Composer. I really thought how he make such fluid Sounds, well I think You made this for long Time ?

    Cheers


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    Thank you again, Markus. I'm of course far from being a high paid composer😊😎. But that's okay. I enjoy the privileges of an early retired music teacher (Studienrat) owning the 3 most precious luxury goods on earth: 1.time 2. time and 3. time !! 🌴 As for this film score I'm completely happy (zufrieden) as long as I stay untroubled with legal (urheberrechtliche) consequences. I was able to shake off my scruple only since yesterday when I discovered that there is someone in the net who did publish this film on Youtube replacing Bizet and Grieg by really primitive rock music with a steady beat which can only steamroll (plattwalzen) all the inspiring situations and different shades of expression and mood in the film I tried to take care of. The film is a good choice (eine dankbare Aufgabe) deserving sublime music (und keine Einheitssoße), no stupid oomtsh-oomtsh-oomtsh-oomtsh. I'm glad to read that you appreciate my orchestration. I don't know how well-done it is. But at least it is good enough to increase my own doubts, if the other orchestral music I had composed earlier in my lifetime was well-done. Maybe I already told you that before this film score I had made VSL based orchestral playbacks for all of Mahler's works for solo voice and orchestra (and then some Strauss, Zemlinsky and Wagner). I think, while composing the film score I did not consciously copy these masters of orchestration, but it would be sad and strange, if they would not have left any traces in my music. Without the film it would be difficult to explain the structure of my composition, because it is indeed very close to the pictures and the story they tell. So now, it will not be too much work to write (at least in German) a short analysis (Werkeinführung) on my website http://www.uli-schauerte which will only point to those facts only, which could hardly be discovered without my helping hints. Hope you allow me to tell you when that is done.

    Best wishes / herzIiche Grüße

    Uli 


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    Hi Pat, pleased to please you. 😊 Thank you and kind regards Uli


  • If I were in Your Shoes, I would make a Section on the Homepage, showing some Examples of Your Works (non contract works) in different Styles and a Pricetag, I take this Amount per Minute. And wait what will happen. Bit Advertising in Social Media.

    One Thing I read on the Contestpage was, that the Winner can then write 2 or 3 Hours of Music for some Project, Im not sure if the actual Winners can do it, but you can do it with Ease.

    All the Best

    Markus


  • Thank you, dear Markus, and excuse me for reacting this late to say thank you. You're really right about the social media. I live behind the moon to such an extent that only last night I noticed that you had already sent me a message in German on my smartphone on September 1st, and now I'm too stupid to find it again. As for Facebook, I have to fix both my clumsiness and laziness. Concerning my compositions: You probably saw that I set up a subpage for them on my homepage: https://www.uli-schauerte.de/kompositionen/ Unfortunately the explanations are all still in German only. I have a pricetag per minute for my Mahler Playbacks, and that works quite well.
    But the resonance is rather poor anyway - in spite of Mahler's celebrity. Do you really think even my own compositions would have better chances ? Years ago I used to post some stuff on IMSLP.org as well. The only thing that is sometimes asked for since is some of my jazzoid chamber music, if there is not much repertoire for the chosen instrumentation available elsewhere. I didn't quite understand what you read on the competition page. I have to go to the page myself and retry to find it. Say, Markus, would you perhaps write me a personal mail to uschau@aol.com just to tell me your e-mail address so that I can write in German when my English reaches its limits ? Bye for now and thank you again Uli


  • Uli, it's a great piece that works perfectly even without the referring movie! Really excellent writing, and a real pleasure to listen to (and read: beautiful score)!

    Paolo


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    @Uli Schauerte said:

    Thank you, dear Markus, and excuse me for reacting this late to say thank you. You're really right about the social media. I live behind the moon to such an extent that only last night I noticed that you had already sent me a message in German on my smartphone on September 1st, and now I'm too stupid to find it again. As for Facebook, I have to fix both my clumsiness and laziness. Concerning my compositions: You probably saw that I set up a subpage for them on my homepage: https://www.uli-schauerte.de/kompositionen/ Unfortunately the explanations are all still in German only. I have a pricetag per minute for my Mahler Playbacks, and that works quite well.
    But the resonance is rather poor anyway - in spite of Mahler's celebrity. Do you really think even my own compositions would have better chances ? Years ago I used to post some stuff on IMSLP.org as well. The only thing that is sometimes asked for since is some of my jazzoid chamber music, if there is not much repertoire for the chosen instrumentation available elsewhere. I didn't quite understand what you read on the competition page. I have to go to the page myself and retry to find it. Say, Markus, would you perhaps write me a personal mail to uschau@aol.com just to tell me your e-mail address so that I can write in German when my English reaches its limits ? Bye for now and thank you again Uli

    Yes I read somewhere on the Contestpage, the Winner can compose 2 to 3 Hours for various Projects. I really like to hear whats now the Winning Piece, but it seems not be revealed yet.

    Yes I write a Email

    cheers


  • Thank you, Markus, for announcing a personal mail for me to uschau@aol.com. In terms of the winner resp. the finalists of the contest: If I remember well, the 5 finalists (elected on July 7th)  are not allowed to present their compositions before the premiere (on 4th of Octobre). I myself don't know if I'll soon be strong enough to listen to the 5 nominated scores or the winning one. If they all deserve to be elected, I must realize that I'm less capable, if they don't, I'm less lucky. Both not so easy for a sore loser like I apparently am.   

    Cheers (tschö)

    Uli   


  • I would listen to all the Pieces, but with different Concept in Mind. The idea is that Easy Things are more memoriable than complex Things. This also goes for Music. There are simple Melodies People all over in the World know them. I wouldnt wonder If One of the Winning Piece uses Parts or Movements of Bizet for the simple Reason, the Artist use them allready and its allready known. And thats why I also see Mozart who focus so much on simple Melodies, that this is a Reason why he got so famous. So theres a Connection to such Pieces. On the Other Side its nothing new and creative. Im also more into Ravel and Debussy Pieces, those are from my Point of View Masterpieces and also creative. I have the Feeling the Composer simply made Music.

    So your Piece also sounds like that to me, you simply make Music without alot of Concepts. Concepts in Terms of basic Melody Repetition, straight Rhythms ect. If I watch the Video only without Sound it looks like "Pressure" so I wouldnt be surprised if the Winning Piece is like Rite of Spring

    Have You read the FB Message, can you reply there ?

    cheers


  • I will, but have no time today..


  • Hello Markus, I think your music is great, and I found it already impressive when you had not yet replaced the noisy bassoon. You have, I think, exactly the know-how that the jury missed in my film music. I don't know if I'm too lazy, too stingy or too arrogant, but I've always believed that knowing the European music of the last 300 years very well, would be sufficient and I wouldn't have to visit any film music workshop in my old days.
    If you'd ask me about American film music composers and Hollywood movies, you would notice that I am on another planet.
    Okay, I actually don't believe that the simple and catchy melodies you recommend to me are missing in my music for "Happiness" (there's Viennese waltz feeling, ragtime, also reminiscences of Ravel (la valse), a Prokofieff like gavotte at the end, the opening chord of Lohengrin, trivial hurdy-gurdy melodies etc.), all based on a trivial central motif of 4 tones, which appears in various stylistic costumes, but it comes from a twelve-tone row. They are it's 4 opening or closing tones, since the row is symmetrical: f-eb-d-g-e-c-f#-a#-c#-g#-a-h. Though the series has major chords in the middle, it is the reason that the beginning of my film music (which is, of course, apparently not atonal/dokaphonic as a whole) sounds more modern than the last two thirds. But the row is almost always involved anyway. In the ragtime (during the car ride) it is present as a counterpoint. While the rat gets drunk, the trombone plays it with belching glissandi and Flatterzunge, while the unmistakable high flageolets of the A major chord from the Lohengrin overture are played. When the rat tries to catch the dollar bill, the row is the melody of a rokoko dance. (The symmetry of the row serves also as a sounding symbol for a vain circle race, always leading back to the start or to nowhere.. and the mouse trap finally). The whole piece is like this. I think the influences you recommend to me (Ravel, Stravinsky) are already present. What I lack is Hollywood opulence and the skill to achieve it. i confess, all my life I wasn't a friend of American cinema. But that's not least due to the annoying, exhilarated and mannered German dubbing style of US movies. If you want to know what I'm running away from, please google comedian "Käthe Lachmann" and e.g. "Synchronsprecherin" or "Kuchen backen". My film music was almost finished, when I first wanted to at least collecting some infos about who John Williams or Elmer Bernstein are. I don't know a single Star Wars film. I think my problem is to be much too much both: a piano player with romantic and Gershwinlike patterns in his hands, but also a polyphonic nutcracker in a tradition from Bach to Schoenberg and later. And an Adorno "fan". And before I made the film music, I had spent 17 months doing nothing but VSL based orchestral music minus one like stuff for all of Mahler's vocal music (https://www.uli-schauerte.de/mahler-minus-you-english/ ). And the transparency of the Kindertotenlieder or the subtlety of the Lied von der Erde, even the "military" power of some Wunderhornlieder might be a good teacher for orchestrators in general, but not for film composers. Too close to chamber music, right ? So if I'd ever again participate in a film music contest, I would first get a humble pupil of oversea's masters to get nearer to their skills and impressing fullness of sound. I think you, Markus, are a living proof, that those masters do not all live overseas. So I will take my time to devote to your works again and again when I find the needed leisure they deserve.


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