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UPDATE 2019: VIENNA SMART ORCHESTRA
Last post Mon, Feb 25 2019 by seanmccoy, 110 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Sep 23 2018 14:42
by vscorpio
Joined on Sat, Dec 19 2009, Posts 5

Hi, I just bought it and testing it!

I guess if there is any way to control "Vel.Fx" through an envelope generator so that it cn create a sort of "crescendo" without having to move any manual cc?

Any way in the future to see other specific "solo" instruments (like "violas") or a way to change the mis in the violins other sections? I mean to change the volume of bass, violas, strings for instance...

Thank you in advance,

Posted on Sun, Sep 23 2018 15:24
by Olivin
Joined on Tue, Sep 11 2018, Posts 4

Hi Paul, Thank you for your very fast answer.

I still have some interrogations.

1 - effective play range from C1 to C7

Vienna_Smart_Orchestra_Manual_v1 says "In the ensembles, the bass instruments ... resulting in an effective play range from C1 to C7"

1A - Regular Mapping

I can't get this for the Woodwinds when using the Patch 13 WW 0B Long, the range from C4 to B4 is missing.

To explain the problem I will only use the Patch "Regular Mapping - no Bass"

When I play range from C1 to C7 for the Strings (patch 03 Strings 0B Long) I hear notes from C1 to C7 . It's OK

When I play range from C1 to C7 for the Brass (patch 23 Brass 0B Long) I hear notes from C1 to C7 . It's OK

When I play range from C1 to B3 for the Woodwinds (patch 13 WW 0B Long) I hear notes from C1 to B3 . It's OK

When I play range from C3 to C7 for the Woodwinds (patch 13 WW 0B Long) I hear notes from C4 to C8 . There is a problem.

Why do we miss an octave for the woodwinds ?

1B - Pad Mapping

There is the same problem with the "Pad Mapping", there is a jump from 1 octave from B2 to C3 (or from B3 to C4, it's depend of your Keyboard configuration).

Why do we miss an octave for the Pad ?

 

4 - "The “marcato control” feature enables you to play everything from smooth legato lines to aggressive ostinatos in just one patch by simply moving a pre-configured fader." 

This is describe Here : https://www.vsl.co.at/en...Editions/Smart_Orchestra

What does it mean, I do not find any option to get the legato for the ensemble ?

5) "To get a polyphonic legato, please go to the PERFORM tab and activate the "Poly" Legato Mode in the column to the right. We have deactivated it by default to stay performance-friendlier. "

It doesn't affect the one Patch, but all the patchs inside the preset.  I can't find a way to activate or desactivate when playing,  so it seems impossible to switch between legato to chords phrases.

Is it possible to activite this feature by using CC ?

Olivier

Posted on Mon, Sep 24 2018 06:05
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3004

Hello!

@vscorpio: An envelope generator is currently not planned, but we hear you.

Violas are integrated in the Strings patches. If you want all instruments (or sections) available as solo instruments, you might be interested in our Special Editions or Instrument collections.

@Olivier:

1) Samples from different instruments are layered in different octaves to have a bigger overall range. The samples you menation are not left out. For example in the keyboard range C2 to B3 of the patch "13 WW Long" you hear samples from C1 to B2 and samples from C2 to B3 layered. The higher you get in this range, the softer the suboctave will get. From C4 on the suboctave is not present.

4) You can find the marcato articulation under Long notes (switch A#0) / Marcato (switch C#1). The marcato attack of this articulation can further be controlled by CC3.

5) Legato Mode affects all performance interval patches (that's the solo instrument patches in Vienna Smart Orchestra). This option cannot be set individually for slots in Synchron Player. It's possible to control the option with CC indeed. Simply add it on the Control page.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Sep 24 2018 07:43
by Olivin
Joined on Tue, Sep 11 2018, Posts 4

Hello,

Thank you for your help.

1 - effective play range from C1 to C7

I perhaps do not explain me in a way that is not enough clear, please, read carefully, play and listen the note you get.  I use the Patch "Regular Mapping - no Bass", long articulation.

Instrument   Keyboard -> Note I hear

String           C1                C1

String          C4                 C4

String          C7                 C7

Brass           C1                C1

Brass          C4                 C4

Brass          C7                 C7

WW             C1                C1

WW             C4                C5

WW             C7                C8

 

Instrument   Keyboard Range   ->Note I hear Range

String                   C1 - C7            C1 - C7

Brass                   C1 - C7             C1 - C7

WW                      C1 - C7             C1 - C8

My conclusion, It is not consistent between the three sections, 1 octave is missing for the woodwinds.

There is no relation between the notes you play on the keyboard and notes you hear for the woodwinds, unlike the Strings and Brass.

My question : Will you update the woodwinds to have them in coherence with the Strings and Brass or will you keep things like this ?

Posted on Mon, Sep 24 2018 08:21
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3004

Hello Olivier!

Sorry, I have not been precise enough and had a little mistake in my previous post.

I will call middle C C4. That's our default naming convention.

The patch "13 WW 0B Long" has a keyboard range from C2 to C6.

From C2 to B2 you will hear C2 to B2.

From C3 to B3 you will hear C3 to B3 and C4 to B4 coming in. The higher you will get in this octave, the stronger the notes from octave 4 will come in. From key C4 on, you will hear the notes from octave 5. No octave is missing, but the keyboard octave from C3 to C4 covers two octaves in pitch.

The overlapping has been done to get a bigger range into the patch range. Otherwise we would loose the high range of the Piccolo flute. So it's not possible that every pitch has it's individual key. This will not be updated. Please note that the Vienna Smart Orchestra is a tool for sketching and playing a full orchestra live. It's not ment for having all instruments available in full detail. That's what our other libraries are for.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Sep 24 2018 14:17
by nikammar
Joined on Mon, Feb 25 2013, Posts 2

Hi Paul,

 

I loved your demo on Smart Orchestra and I too was surprised not to see the €95 discount automatically displayed in my basket - I have SE v1& SE v2 of Woodwinds  and Woodwinds plus.

Please can you help?

Many thanks

Nik

Posted on Mon, Sep 24 2018 14:22
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 10943

Hi Nik, 

I checked your account and could only find registrations for SE Volume 1 Woodwinds... the other sections are not registered (and you need all sections of SE Volume 1 (Strings, Brass, Woowdins, Percussion&More) to qualify for the discount). 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Sep 24 2018 15:03
by nikammar
Joined on Mon, Feb 25 2013, Posts 2

HI Paul,

 

Oh okay, I see. How does the SE full bundle compare sound-wise to the Smart Orchestra?

Thanks for the quick reply!

Posted on Tue, Sep 25 2018 20:45
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 160

Im a bit confused on the pricing... I own the license for the Special Edition core 1-4, is the price staying at 95 Euros or will it increase after the introuductory offer?

I am VERY interested in this from the perspective of the FX and pads. Alot of stuff Im working on lately is more ethereal stuff, and its great now that I can use the library I have chosen to invest in to finally be able to do that. Would love to see the pads and fx expanded even more :)

I get alot of people that ask me, "Why Vienna?" My answer is always simple. Its the software. Let's be real. Most soundfonts today only offer a subtle difference in sound between the different libraries. To my ears, Spitfire, 8dio, Cinesamples, EastWest, they are all very similar. Vienna has a more dry sound, more unique and flexible in that regard, but that comes at a cost of more processing required to get that sound you want, and it is totally possible to get Vienna to sound similar to these other libraries with some tweaking. However, the thing that cant be beat is the software. The Play software from EastWest stinks. Kontakt is even worse. Both get in the way of my creativity. Heck, I still cant figure out how to get articulation changes to work correctly in Play from EastWest and I have been a subscriber to EastWest forever. Vienna Instruments, its so simple. load the instrument, create a matrix, drop the articulations in, Im writing music for that instruments in a minute after loading the sound. I only wish you guys would consider doing a DAW. Ill bet you could simplify the entire chain, while still providing the features necessary to write good music.

Synchron looks to be a simplified version of VI, which in itself, isnt necessarily a bad thing. I think the only major thing Id miss is the humanize function that VI offers. This subtle effect really brings a human touch to compositions. I really want to play with it, but being that my car was totalled, and, I have a final school payment coming up in the next week (Im a student), money is a bit tight at the moment... Hence why Im worried about whether the Special Edition pricing is going to change...

Posted on Wed, Sep 26 2018 09:41
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 10943

Hi!

@Nik: Check out the demos, it should be pretty clear. But the main advantage is the playability!

@littleweirdo: The price for Smart Orchestra will be increased after the introductory offer. And we're of course working on more FX. 

Thanks for the praise of our softwatre, I'll share that with the team as well!

Synchron Player simply opens new possibilities for different kinds of products, and we are only at version 1.1 right now... 

Also: Be careful on the roads!!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Sep 27 2018 08:37
by Olivin
Joined on Tue, Sep 11 2018, Posts 4

« And we're of course working on more FX. »

I an not sure more FX are useful (exception is transcient shaper for percussion).

When I play sound from the FX presets, they quickly become boring. The sound is static, nothing happend.

 

What is missing is modulation.

Have a look at the way to modulate the sound with :

  • Izotope Iris 2
  • Heavyocity Gravity Pack

 

There are few effects available, but many ways to modulate the sound.

Iris 2 contains the classic Enveloppe and LFO and Gravity contains some motions sequencers.

The result is incredible and it's easy to create animated sound design.

 

Stop working on more FX and add modulation to the FX.

Posted on Thu, Sep 27 2018 08:48
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 10943

Hi Olivin, 

That's an INCREDIBLE idea, we would have never thought of that!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Sep 28 2018 14:57
by Carl
Joined on Fri, Jan 07 2005, USA, Posts 111

What's the mixer / output sections setup on this?

thanks

Posted on Fri, Sep 28 2018 15:13
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 10943

Hi Carl, 

Check out the videos, please. 

All sections (Strings, Woodwdinds, Brass, Percussion) are controllable on separate volume faders, and additionally you get the solo legato instruments on separate faders. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Sep 28 2018 17:50
by Carl
Joined on Fri, Jan 07 2005, USA, Posts 111

No online manual pdf?

I watched but only heard mention of an internal mixer, balancing, not how separate outputs are available for user routing. Also no mention of how it operates inside of VEPro, MIR or with existing VSL libraries.

Posted on Fri, Sep 28 2018 20:34
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 10943

Hi Carl, 

I can send you the Synchron Player pdf, please send a quick mail to .

In short words: Flexible routing, also with VE PRO. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Sep 28 2018 22:06
by Carl
Joined on Fri, Jan 07 2005, USA, Posts 111

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi Carl, 

I can send you the Synchron Player pdf, please send a quick mail to .

In short words: Flexible routing, also with VE PRO. 

Best, 
Paul

Thanks Paul,

just purchased so I should have it shortly!

Posted on Sat, Sep 29 2018 18:24
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 241

So I tested the lib for some hours and I absolutely like it!

Great playability out of the box, easy to use and easy to learn, but still offering an enormous flexibility (for these amount of articulations).

Great Work VSL!

P.S.: This is how I wished Synchron strings could be (advertised with Beauty of Simplicity and slogans like this).

VSL SE (no extension), Vienna Smart Orchestra
Sopranos, Flute2, Fanfare Trumpets
Synchron Strings
VE Pro 7
VI Pro + MIRx
Cubase 9
Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2018 17:38
by oasys
Joined on Thu, Jun 11 2009, Posts 15

Paul,

This is a tremendous innovation to small users like me. Wonderful introduction to the vast opportunuties to VSL. If you wish, can you substitute any other VSL instrument into VSO. eg the Appassionata strings into the strings etc etc across the board?

Yours,

Patrick

Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2018 18:20
by oasys
Joined on Thu, Jun 11 2009, Posts 15

.....and following on from this, can you use MIR to change the instruments around the stage? Actually, can you place the instruments around the stage in the first place? And use Vienna Suite as well? I'm getting carried away but you can get my drift. This is a wonderful introduction to VSL. I'm sold. I am not a professional composer. I'm too old.

Patrick

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