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Last post Thu, Aug 22 2019 by andi, 15 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Sep 19 2018 10:18
by prodamu
Joined on Sun, Jan 20 2008, Sweden, Posts 26

Hi,
I just discovered that the Preset Cloning described Synchron Player Manual (English, v. 1.2) doesn't work completely.

If I follow the instruction to clone the instrument structure of Violas and replace Instrument Abbreviations / ID / folder to those for Cellos. Then I paste it to an new instance. 

I got the same instrument structure for both Violas and Cellos and correct samples, but the range for Cellos is the same as for Viola and that's not what I wish. And because the range is set per cell, it's nothing I like to manually change afterwards.

So the instruction need to be updated to include a replacement of the rangeFrom and rangeTo values aswell. But to use "replace all" for these it assumes that all cells have the same range, otherwise I do not know how to solve it ...?

Posted on Wed, Sep 19 2018 10:42
by prodamu
Joined on Sun, Jan 20 2008, Sweden, Posts 26

Ok, it seems to be a bug too...

If I in the cloned Cellos instrument (that has the Violas range) try to load the factory preset 04 Cellos-8 VelXF the Violas range retains. And it doesn't matter what factory preset I load. The range is still the one I cloned from the Violas.

The only workaround I find is to create an new instance and load the factory preset, then the range will be correct. But in that case I have to redo all routing of the individual microphones in VEP.

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Posted on Wed, Sep 19 2018 13:17
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3624

Hello prodamu!

I can reproduce what you describe. We will look into it. Meanwhile please replace the values of "rangeTo" and "rangeFrom" as well.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Aug 16 2019 16:13
by mikeheels
Joined on Thu, May 21 2015, Posts 39

Midi CCs for the various controls don't get copied either when cloning presets, and have to be manually rechanged.

Legato polyphony and number of voices as well.

 

Regards



Mac Pro 2013 6-core 64 GB Ram
OSX 10.15.6
Motu M4
Posted on Sat, Aug 17 2019 10:47
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3624

Hello mikeheels!

Settings on the PERFORM and on the CONTROL pages are separate from the dimension tree structure. They can be copied as well, if you rightclick the tabs.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Aug 18 2019 00:59
by mikeheels
Joined on Thu, May 21 2015, Posts 39

Thanks Andi!

Best!

-Michele



Mac Pro 2013 6-core 64 GB Ram
OSX 10.15.6
Motu M4
Posted on Sun, Aug 18 2019 23:26
by mikeheels
Joined on Thu, May 21 2015, Posts 39

Hi, so how should we deal with this problem?

I just encountered it for the frist time, cloning my Violins2 preste to create a Viola one.

 

Thanks for your help

-m



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Motu M4
Posted on Mon, Aug 19 2019 11:56
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3624

Hello Michele!

I'm not sure which problem you mean.
If you mean how to solve the range problem after changing a preset from one instrument to another, please replace lines that include "rangeTo" and "rangeFrom".

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Aug 19 2019 13:15
by mikeheels
Joined on Thu, May 21 2015, Posts 39

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post

Hello Michele!

I'm not sure which problem you mean.
If you mean how to solve the range problem after changing a preset from one instrument to another, please replace lines that include "rangeTo" and "rangeFrom".

Best regards,
Andi

 

Hi Andi,

Yeah I mean how to properly clone presets, could you provide more detailed instructions on this "range" additioni?

As I don't really understand what to do. I can do everything that's in the manual (and I did) but need help doing this.

I need to clone my Violins1 and 2 preset to Violas, Cellos and Basses.

 

Thanks for your help

-m



Mac Pro 2013 6-core 64 GB Ram
OSX 10.15.6
Motu M4
Posted on Mon, Aug 19 2019 13:35
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3624

Hello Michele!

Look with your text editor for lines that include "rangeTo" and "rangeFrom". Remove these lines. If you have small presets, I would remove those lines step by step. If you have big presets, the use of Regular Expressions, which some text editors support, may help. Please understand that I can't give detailed instructions on Regular Expressions. I alwys have to look them up myself with Google.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Aug 19 2019 15:00
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 883

Regex... the pain of every developer xD

You can try regexr.com. The site has a cheatsheet that will help you to build the regex.

Ben
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Aug 19 2019 20:26
by mikeheels
Joined on Thu, May 21 2015, Posts 39

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post

Hello Michele!

Look with your text editor for lines that include "rangeTo" and "rangeFrom". Remove these lines. If you have small presets, I would remove those lines step by step. If you have big presets, the use of Regular Expressions, which some text editors support, may help. Please understand that I can't give detailed instructions on Regular Expressions. I alwys have to look them up myself with Google.

Best,
Andi

 

Thanks, I'll try.

Do you mean removing those exact "rangeTo" and "rangeFrom" words or longer lines that include them?



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Posted on Tue, Aug 20 2019 07:47
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3624

Hello Michele!

I mean the complete lines that include "rangeTo" and "rangeFrom".

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Aug 21 2019 21:07
by mikeheels
Joined on Thu, May 21 2015, Posts 39

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post

Hello Michele!

I mean the complete lines that include "rangeTo" and "rangeFrom".

Best,
Andi

 

Hi Andi,

I managed to clone my presets using regular expressions, except for basses and "Strings Full" which I believe have different patches and less articulations.

 

Thanks

-Michele



Mac Pro 2013 6-core 64 GB Ram
OSX 10.15.6
Motu M4
Posted on Thu, Aug 22 2019 08:13
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3624

Hello Michele!

Synchron Strings Double basses and "Strings full" have less articulations. I think the replacement should work for some articulations, but not for all.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
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