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Posted on Sat, Sep 29 2018 01:29
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2563

Hello Andy

 

What we are waiting for so long has arrived ; Logic 10.4.2 now can send up to 3 command to change articulation

You need to select Activate Multiple Output (see screen shot)

 

Are you going to make official articulation files for Logic ?

 

Best

 

Cyril

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Posted on Sat, Sep 29 2018 04:58
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 75
Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post
Hello Andy

What we are waiting for so long has arrived ; Logic 10.4.2 now can send up to 3command to change articulation
You need to selectActivate Multiple Output (see screen shot)

Are you going to make official articulation files for Logic ?

Best

Cyril


The interesting thing is that vsl is configurable for what the keyswitches will be and is quite flexible so really it’s up to each person to decide what keyswitches they want to use and set it up. I’m not sure anyone can make an articulation set that would work, everyone can use vipro differently.

The good news is articulation sets can now send more then one keyswitch per articulation which better supports xy matrix etc
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Posted on Sat, Sep 29 2018 16:48
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 320

Just a note: even without multiple outputs, it was already possible to send two messages, by combining a Note and its Velocity.

Paolo

Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2018 02:35
by RLD
Joined on Thu, Jan 26 2017, Posts 59

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

Just a note: even without multiple outputs, it was already possible to send two messages, by combining a Note and its Velocity.

Paolo

Yes I know I have advise the comunity at the release of 10.4.1 but it was needing Environnement development 

Now it is STRAIT FROM THE BOX no environnement design needed 

Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2018 02:40
by RLD
Joined on Thu, Jan 26 2017, Posts 59

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post
Hello Andy What we are waiting for so long has arrived ; Logic 10.4.2 now can send up to 3command to change articulation You need to selectActivate Multiple Output (see screen shot) Are you going to make official articulation files for Logic ? Best Cyril
The interesting thing is that vsl is configurable for what the keyswitches will be and is quite flexible so really it’s up to each person to decide what keyswitches they want to use and set it up. I’m not sure anyone can make an articulation set that would work, everyone can use vipro differently. The good news is articulation sets can now send more then one keyswitch per articulation which better supports xy matrix etc

XYZ matrix (z is needed for Dimension instruments )

 

VSL did a set of Expression Maps for Cubase, so it will be nice they do the same for Logic

Thanks in advance Andy

Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2018 15:10
by antcarrier
Joined on Fri, Sep 24 2010, Sunshine Coast, Australia, Posts 41
The new articulation feature is great. Just spent an hour or so making a set for Dimension Strings which was relatively easy.

Unfortunately, these articulation maps do not appear to be compatible with track stacks, which are fantastic for use with Dimension series instruments. I'm a bit torn because the articulation mapping would be super convenient. I expect though I will be sticking with keyswitches & track stacks for Dimension series, unless there is some way to pass articulation switches through a stack, that I haven't figured out.
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Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2018 17:18
by C.B.
Joined on Wed, Aug 11 2010, Quebec Canada, Posts 98

+1

Expression Maps for Logic could be very useful starting points (like VSL's matrices and patches).

Please support for Audio Unit 3 (AU3) as soon as possible too!

Claude

Originally Posted by: RLD Go to Quoted Post

VSL did a set of Expression Maps for Cubase, so it will be nice they do the same for Logic

Thanks in advance Andy

C.B.
Posted on Sun, Sep 30 2018 22:03
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 320

Originally Posted by: RLD Go to Quoted Post
Yes I know I have advise the comunity at the release of 10.4.1 but it was needing Environnement development

There is no need for programming the Environment. Just send a Note/Keyswitch, and its Velocity value. In Vienna Instruments/Pro, select KeySwitch for the X-axis, KeySwitch Velocity for the Y-axis.

Note --> KeySwitch
Note Velocity --> KeySwitch Velocity

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2018 02:47
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2563

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

There is no need for programming the Environment. Just send a Note/Keyswitch, and its Velocity value. In Vienna Instruments/Pro, select KeySwitch for the X-axis, KeySwitch Velocity for the Y-axis.

Note --> KeySwitch
Note Velocity --> KeySwitch Velocity

Paolo

Paolo :

In this case you must modify all the Preset made by VSL

With 10.4.2 you dont need

It's funny how people wanted to post for saying thing that are poluating a thread !

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Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2018 10:43
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 320

Cyril, modifying presets is not forbidden, and is also easy to do in VI. Customization is strongly recommended by the developers themselves.

In any case, I would appreciate if you refrained from finding other member's posts "funny", just because they don't match your view.

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2018 14:10
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2563

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

Cyril, modifying presets is not forbidden, and is also easy to do in VI. Customization is strongly recommended by the developers themselves.

In any case, I would appreciate if you refrained from finding other member's posts "funny", just because they don't match your view.

Paolo

It is not a good idea to modify preset because if VSL is updating or improving them you are .....

I did not undrestand your intervention on this thread !

Everybody was shouting when in 10.4.1 you could not send two or three commands to change articulation

10.4.2 is the best solution for articulation switching !

All previous solutions where DIY

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Posted on Mon, Oct 01 2018 22:19
by C.B.
Joined on Wed, Aug 11 2010, Quebec Canada, Posts 98

Dear Vienna Users,

 

There must be a way to avoid quarrelling in our discussions. For this forum to remain useful and enjoyable, I think it would be necessary to avoid giving too much importance to the simple expression of a judgment (I like / do not like) about a functionality or a tool. It seems to me that we should share our experiences and solving concrete problems. In addition, we should avoid showing our superiority when our interlocutor seems less experienced.

 

That being said, let say a few words about my own limited experience with custom matrices and articulations. For about 8 years, I've tended to create my own matrices (often by modifying VSL matrices or presets). I preferred one CC to another. I preferred to standardize the use of key switches while Vienna changed them according to the instruments (C0 vs C9, etc.). As my library of VSL instruments grew, so did the work of customization. At this time, the release of Dimension strings was a real challenge! For about two years now, I've been using more readable articulation changes that use scripts (Logic's scripter tool). That's when I realized that it would be better now (more "economical", if you want) to keep (when it is possible) the original matrices of Vienna. I am in the process of modifying my setups in this way. 

 

The release of Logic 10.4.1 had, first of all, brought me good news. Like many, I was disappointed with some limitations when dealing with articulations. (I took advantage of the ingenious workaround proposed by other users of this forum and I say thank you folks!) The recent update of Logic (10.4.2) is really welcome. I must evaluate now if the approach based on notes/events is more advantageous for me (my uses, my experience, my background, etc.) than that based on scripts/region/tracks.

 

Once again, I do not pretend that I have the best solution or that I have the truth. The important thing is the exchange of ideas and the sharing of experience.

 

[And excuse my very bad English!]

 

Best,

 

Claude

C.B.
Posted on Tue, Oct 02 2018 01:36
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2563

Salut Claude

I will speak in English so everybody understand (my English is bad too)

I have started make the articulations for  10.4.2 yesterday, it is very easy if you can use prepared tables from other solutions (before I was conveerting program changes to articulation change) where you have all the notes and event under your elbow.

It will be very helpfull to have the Copy/Paste ;)

I have made the strings Violon, Viola and Cello for Solo, Orchestral and Chamber

I use articulation of Matrices levell II  (about 35 articulation per instrument)

I will finish with  the Double Bass before the end of the week

I have attached an image of the exel file I used

You will see that most of the articulation are the same for  Violon, Viola and Cello 

Why dont we split the work ?

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Posted on Tue, Oct 02 2018 17:07
by C.B.
Joined on Wed, Aug 11 2010, Quebec Canada, Posts 98

Hi Cyril,

This is a very good suggestion. Alas, I have very little time this week. Moreover, as I was expecting, I have not decided yet whether I will use the Logic articulations or the scripts (AG) on which I have spent a lot of time in recent months. Before making a definitive choice, I have to see if my current system will respond well (no hanging note, etc.).

Thank you again for your nice proposal. I hope we will have the opportunity to share some work later.

Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post

Why dont we split the work ?

C.B.
Posted on Wed, Oct 03 2018 18:34
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 31

Hi Everyone

I didnt know if you had seen these guys https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/

There articulation plugin they developed has just been updated to include VSL libraries and after the short time ive had playing with it its excellent and may be just what your looking for

i hope this helps

Kindest 

Pul

Posted on Thu, Oct 04 2018 00:39
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2563

Originally Posted by: Pieman1560 Go to Quoted Post

Hi Everyone

I didnt know if you had seen these guys https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/

There articulation plugin they developed has just been updated to include VSL libraries and after the short time ive had playing with it its excellent and may be just what your looking for

i hope this helps

Kindest 

Pul

Hi Pul,

This looks great, do they support all the instruments of the Cube ? Dimension and Syncron Libraries ?

What articulation sign can be seen in the score ?

Can you post screen shots ?

Best

Cyril

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Posted on Thu, Oct 04 2018 14:24
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 31

Hi Cyril

Currently the selection of available libraries for VSL is small, and as i only have Special Edition 1 and 1Plus I cannot test the other available libraries for you. However, the developer seems to have covered every articulation for the strings in SE1 (admittedly i have only really looked at the Orchestral strings, not the Solo ones)

i think they have started with the smaller libraries, as working on Dimension Strings for example must be a much larger job!

Dont be put of by that though, as ive used this plugin before, and it updates ALOT with new features and considering that Logic Pro has only just updated to 10.4.2 (and you'll need this version installed for the plugin to work with VSL) they have included the Cube, SE1-4 and the brand new Syncron Orchestra already! i emailed there support to ask if they planned to include VSL when Logic updated to 10.4 and they said they would include all there libraries as soon as the software allowed, so its only a matter of time i think before everything is done.

I have no idea how they manage it, as it must be a huge challenge!

As far as Score mark up is concerened (and to me this was a BIG issue) its not great if im honest. Basic articulations are marked up (staccato for example) but not much else. Ive included a screen shot of the score mark up on a test piece, and you'll notice the notes in 'Green' have no articulations marked, but the software playes them as Detache.

Now (for me at least) its not such an issue as i write all my music in Sibelius anyway as the work VSL have done with the sound sets is lovely and everything just works for me as i need it to, but now if i import the midi into Logic its a breeze to select the articulations i need and to tweek the playback to my hearts content!

I think its a perfect compromise really, and one thats only going to get better with time!

Kindest Regards

Paul

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Posted on Thu, Oct 04 2018 16:14
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2563

Originally Posted by: Pieman1560 Go to Quoted Post

Hi Cyril

Currently the selection of available libraries for VSL is small, and as i only have Special Edition 1 and 1Plus I cannot test the other available libraries for you.

Hello Paul

Thank you very much for your answer

Is it possible that you do a screen copy of articulation availlable for the solo violin and the trumpet ?

Do they provide the VE/VI  ?

 

Best

Cyril

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Posted on Thu, Oct 04 2018 16:56
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 31

Hi Cyril

I've done a short video showing how it works (with Orchestral SE1 Strings)

The playings not great, so Mozart has nothing to worry about but you'll see how it works mate

if i have more time i'll see how it works in Ensamble (not Ensamble Pro as i dont have it!....yet!)

have a good one mate

Paul

 

Edit....ive tried to upload the video as a .mov but its not working mate, so i'll try and get it working and upload it ASAP

Posted on Thu, Oct 04 2018 17:11
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 31

Hi Cyril

I cant seem to upload videos showing how it works, but it does work in Ensamble too!

ive sent you a PM mate

Kindest regards

Paul

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