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  • Out Of Egypt

    Hi,

    I like to introduce my latest work with VSL:

    https://soundcloud.com/stefan-telser-1/out-of-egypt

    Mostly done with Special Edition Samples.
    Bassoon, Horn/Trumpet/Trombone Ensembles are from Extended Editions.

    Notation and MIDI Performance has been done entirely in Sibelius, mixing in Cubase.

    Reverb: MIR24 Synchron Stage and Cubase- Reverence as overall reverb.

    Any comment will be appreciated

    Thanks
    Stefan


  • Nice composition, Stefan.
    It seems that we both gravitate around the same expressive field (eg the role of solo bassoon melodies).
    I thimk your rendition will benefit from a touch of more ambience, just a tiny bit on the "wet" position of the slider.
    Regards


    VI Special Edition 1-3, Reaper, MuseScore 3, Notion 3 (collecting dust), vst flotsam and jetsam
  • Hi Stefan

    Thats great i really liked it mate, the whole thing was great, but that part youve done where the strings enter sounded really good on my headphones!

    The more i hear peoples tunes here on the forum the more my wallet hides as MIR to me sounds lovely!

    Kindest regards

    Paul


  • Hi Fabio and Paul

    thank you so much for listening and commenting.

    A few word on my mixing and the use of the reverb:

    The only Equalizing I make is cutting frequencies below 100 Hz of all intruments which are not bass instruments.

    Regarding the Reverb I think I tend to err on the dry side. I'm a a mediocre (at best) sound engeneer and thats what I like about MIR so much. Besides from sounding great I just place the instruments at their corresponding location and the magic works.

    Following Fabios Advice I have cranked up the reverb a bit, but still very carefully. I developed the piece entirely in Sibelius with the VI Alog Reverb Mix Setting at 40 (this would be 30%). If the music sounds right with that amount of Reverb, I think its a good measure.

    I used MIR for the room ambience. Depending on the distance of the instrument between 35 to 41%. wet/dry. That would correspond to my development setting.

    The overall reverb is created with Reverence (Austrian Concert Hall). I filtered frequencies below 1000 and above 10000 to avoid tampering with the Early Reflections of MIR. (Honestly I don't know if that makes sense, I read somthing alike somplace, somwhere). The delay was set to 50ms and I used only the tail of the Reverence Reverb. The only reason why I use Reverence instead of Miracle is because I'm used to it for some time.

    @Fabio: The Bassoon is from the Extended Edition and the samples are incredible. No wonder you like to work with instruments like that. in this piece I experimented a lot with the dynamic - samples. The pfp are amazing. I will explore the streching functionallity more in the future. Sometimes I edit the vibrato with Melodyne. Seems to work very well. But it's so much work...

    @Paul: I really can recommend MIR. I use MIR24 (in our studio we have MIR Pro), but with MIR24 so far I never exceeded any limitation of channels. Personally I like the TELDEX Studio the most.

    Again, thanks for listening!

    Best Stefan


  • Hi Stefan,

    I commend you for your subject. It's wonderful to hear music created that honors God. I wish your piece had been longer. The subject is certainly worthy of a lot more music.

    The mix sounds good. The biggest problem I have with MIR is when I have a forte orchestral tutti passage. I am still searching for a solution.

    Paul


  • Hi Stefan,

    This is a good composition. I suppose it's an onset for a larger work? Sonically it's pretty much OK. I wouldn't change a lot. Of course one might discuss the amount of overall reverb, but that's mainly a matter of taste. As long as it sounds natural, it's fine to me.

    The rendition is transparent enough to hear every single detail in the orchestra and the dynamic ranges seem more than enough.

    Well done!

    Jos


  • Hi Paul and Jos,

    thank you for listening and commenting.

    This piece is a very short piece, indeed. It must have something to do with making short films during my university days. Though this time is long gone I still I like a story short and snappy.

    Suppose that's the world we live in. Three minutes to get your ideas across to the CEO in the elevator, three minutes to read one more Chapter on the Kindle till the next metrostation. Two minutes to tell a story via music.

    As long it is fun and inspring and puts a smile on peoples face I like it that way.

    The reverb I get never right. I used MIR very sparingly as room definition and made it up with an overall reverb as a global filler. I described it above in detail. This might be the wrong way to do it. In the end I wish I had a trained sound engeneer to do the work for me. This I will never learn.

    Best Stefan


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