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Last post Fri, Dec 21 2018 by Dewdman42, 8 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Dec 18 2018 20:12
by composerguy78
Joined on Fri, Sep 14 2007, Los Angeles, Posts 77
Has anyone created/found a really good setting for a solo piano similar to a decent classical piano recording? I am thinking of a recording which sounds like it is in a hall, not too close mic’d, not too far either.

I am not asking how to do this, just wondering if someone has some settings they are really happy with which they would be willing to share?

Posted on Tue, Dec 18 2018 20:27
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7451

Hi there,

I created piano-specific settings for all MIRx collections (also available in MIRx-Mode within MIR Pro). I addition there are several suggested setups in form of Venue Presets which you can download from the "Tutorials/Templates" section of your "MyVSL" user-area.

... I'm sure that others came up with different ideas - I hope that you'll find people who are willing to share! :-)

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Dec 18 2018 21:49
by composerguy78
Joined on Fri, Sep 14 2007, Los Angeles, Posts 77

Thank you! I did not realize this, I look forward to checking this out!

Posted on Thu, Dec 20 2018 20:10
by composerguy78
Joined on Fri, Sep 14 2007, Los Angeles, Posts 77
This is exactly what I was looking for!

Is there a way to save these settings so I can import them into existing set ups?
Posted on Thu, Dec 20 2018 22:59
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7451

Yes, of course. If you're using MIR Pro as plug-in, just save the settings of the instance you're using for the piano. In VE Pro, there's there are several possibilities: 1) Copy/Paste between Channels, 2) merging project data from the "File" pull-down, 3) using the concept of "Channel Sets" for saving and recalling (partial) templates.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Dec 21 2018 04:14
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 590

I have some questions about those MIR presets.

  1. They appear to be viframes that open in VEP, which in turn configures MIRPRO inside VEP with whatever is in the preset.  (except for venue 5).  Am I understanding correctly that these presets are mainly related to the main and secondary mic configuration, room eq, etc..  since there are no instrument tracks loaded yet...the presets have no bearing on how instruments will be arranged in the room, but they do have a bearing on where the non-close mics are placed in the room, which mics are being used and other fine tuning.  yes?
  2. Venue5, you saved them as .mirep files, which load directly into mirpro app, or into VEP by using the Mir Pro file open menu option, which I assume essentially does the same thing as described above, just loading into the mir pro plugin inside vep.  Yes?
  3. Is it save to say that I can read one of the viframe files mentioned above, then use the file menu to save as .mirep file, and it will be equivlant, but loadable into mirpro directly in my DAW if I desire that way?
  4. I assume the only way to save a mirpro preset that includes instrument positions is actually to save as a full viframe template, or even a daw template with tracks, etc  yes?
  5. Any chance we will ever see venue 6 presets?
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Posted on Fri, Dec 21 2018 09:55
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7451

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post

1. They appear to be viframes that open in VEP, which in turn configures MIRPRO inside VEP with whatever is in the preset.  (except for venue 5).  Am I understanding correctly that these presets are mainly related to the main and secondary mic configuration, room eq, etc..  since there are no instrument tracks loaded yet...the presets have no bearing on how instruments will be arranged in the room, but they do have a bearing on where the non-close mics are placed in the room, which mics are being used and other fine tuning.  yes?

Yes. Quoting Venue Presets - Read Me:

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Venue Presets are meant to be used as starting points for your own arrangements and mixes in Vienna MIR Pro. Think of them as empty stages which are set up readily by a team of professionals for recording an orchestra or ensemble of your choice. Ideally they will also inspire you to use MIR Pro in ways you didn't think of previously. 

Each Venue Preset is built around one Main Microphone position in one of MIR Pro ’s Venues (... please refer to the Vienna MIR Pro User Manual for a detailed discussion of the technical terms used in this ReadMe). They are roughly divided in “typical” setups and setups that were created with more specific sounds in mind, or for certain instruments. 

In general, all Presets contain:

- dedicated Output Formats, in many cases created specifically for the task
- fine-tuned Main Microphone / Secondary Microphone positions and settings
- optimized RoomEQ settings, mostly to get rid of room-inherent resonances or similar peculiarities  
- suggested RoomTone levels. 

Much care has been taken to achieve perfect stereo balance and all-embracing stereo width. Some Venue Presets are set up as 5.0 and 5.1 surround configurations from the very beginning, though – all marked clearly so that they won’t be confused with stereo Presets. 

Quite a few Venue Presets make use of the [back then] brand-new Secondary Microphone feature of MIR Pro. In these cases, both microphone positions are specified in the Preset’s name. In case of a surround setup the chosen configuration is mentioned, too. – Venue Presets that don’t make use of the Secondary Microphone will contain meaningful settings for the switched-off secondary array nonetheless, just in case you want to give it a try. 

Several Venue Presets make use of MIR Pro’s unique MIRacle Algorithmic Reverb Add-on, partly in a “hybrid” approach, partly as a synthetic enhancement of MIR's natural spatial enveloping. The settings used for MIRacle in these Presets were hand-crafted in every single case. 

HINT: If you see a “MIR Wet Bus” in VE Pro's mixer, take it as a suggestion to use MIR Pro's wet signal routing instead of the conventional “In-line”-routing! In these cases, MIRacle is meant to process MIR's wet signals only. You will have to take care of that with each added Instrument. 

In some more demanding setups, or for reasons of sound design you will find additional built-in effects like MIR Pro EQs or VE Pro’s Matrix Mixer. Speaking of sound design: Some Presets rely on shortened overall reverb times (which can be achieved easily with the help of MIR Pro’s Reverberation Time feature). This option multiplies the possible uses of one and the same Venue – which is what those Presets are meant to demonstrate.

Some few Presets also make use of MIR Pro’s option to present a Venue from another acoustic perspective than the usual 0° main axis. These files are marked accordingly. 

HINT: Keep in mind that you can rotate a Venue visually in 90° steps by Ctrl+Alt-clicking (OSX: Command+Alt-clicking) anywhere in the Venue Map! Getting the right perspective will make handling those setups much easier. 

Usually, a Venue Preset will contain just one or two “empty” Vienna Instruments to give you an idea where to start with your own setups. There are several examples built around specific instruments, though, e.g., the Vienna Imperial Piano and the Vienna Konzerthaus Organ. While you will have to own the licenses for these instruments to make full use of the provided settings, you can of course employ these Venue Presets for other signal sources, too. 

For lack of other equally obvious means of adding written notes to a Venue, some MIR Icons’ title bars serve as memos aimed at the prospective user – just make sure that the blue “Titles” option is switched on below MIR’s Venue Maps to see them.

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2. Venue5, you saved them as .mirep files, which load directly into mirpro app, or into VEP by using the Mir Pro file open menu option, which I assume essentially does the same thing as described above, just loading into the mir pro plugin inside vep.  Yes?

Exactly. MIR Engine Project data (= *.mirep) files weren't available in earlier days of MIR Pro. ... and of course there's no straight-forward way to include MIRacle settings and/or instrument-specific EQing without VE Pro.

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3. Is it save to say that I can read one of the viframe files mentioned above, then use the file menu to save as .mirep file, and it will be equivlant, but loadable into mirpro directly in my DAW if I desire that way?

Yes.

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4. I assume the only way to save a mirpro preset that includes instrument positions is actually to save as a full viframe template, or even a daw template with tracks, etc  yes?

In VE Pro there are also the aforementioned Channel Sets and the option to merge-in data from other Projects than the active one.

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5. Any chance we will ever see venue 6 presets?

Yes! :-)

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Dec 21 2018 16:41
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 590
Thanks for the clarification. All makes sense. In the case of the viframes you made that have miracle or matrix on the master bus, I presume a conversion to mirep file would then be missing those vep aspects. Very good point.
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