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Posted on Mon, Jan 14 2019 11:58
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42
Hi all,
 
I've been investing in VSL products for a while now and really enjoy using them.  However, when I produce orchestral music and export my mixes I find that they do not sound so clean, fresh and realistic as the demos on the VSL website.  I wonder if anyone can help me with this.
 
I use these libraries:
 
Solo Strings 1 & 2 SL
Chamber Strings 1 SL
Appassionata Strings 1 & 2 SL
Harps SL
Woodwinds 1 SL
Brass 1 SL
Percussion SL
Vienna Imperial
Synchron Steinway D FL
MIR Pro 24
 
I also use these mixing and mastering tools:
 
Cakewalk SONAR X1
Fabfiler Pro Mixing and Mastering bundle
2C Audio Breeze 2 Reverb
 
Take for example the first demo under the Harp 1 product on the VSL website.  This is called Sakura Concertino by Guy Bacos.  Can anyone help me understand how this demo was made?   Alternatively, has anyone been able to produce demos that sound as good?  If so can you tell me the steps you made, apart from the composition itself?
 
Thanks for the help,
Chris
Posted on Mon, Jan 14 2019 14:41
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7289

Hi Chris,

many demos come with a complete set of "How To"-tutorial files. Just look out for those pieces with a red "Play" button. You'll see a "Download Tutorials"-link then just below the player.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jan 14 2019 15:56
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Hi Dietz,

That's great, I wasn't aware of this.  I will certainly take a look at some and see if I can reproduce.

Many thanks,

Chris

Posted on Sat, Jan 19 2019 15:57
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Hi Dietz,

Ok, so I have been trying some of these tutorials.  Some of them come with Vienna Instruments files with the extension .fxp.  How are these opened in Vienna Instruments?

Thanks!

Posted on Sun, Jan 20 2019 00:30
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7289

The *.fxp-files are meant to be loaded by VST2 plug-ins.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jan 21 2019 11:12
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Hi Dietz,

I don't quite understand? :-0.  All my Vienna Instruments products are running ok.  I use Cakewalk SONAR X1 which is able to open VST2 plug-ins.  Are you referring to any specific plug-in?

Thanks,

Chris

Posted on Mon, Jan 21 2019 11:20
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7289

Hi Chris,

AFAICS the *.fxp files are in there for historic reasons (pre-VST3), mostly. They are meant to get loaded into individual Vienna Instruments instances.

... if you have specific questions we would have to get you in contact with the creator of the tutorial. I don't have the production details at hand, in most cases.

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jan 21 2019 13:35
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Hi Dietz,

Ok, one tutorial I was looking at is called "Prayer - Cello & Piano" by Ernest Bloch.  The programming is by Jay Bacal and the tutorial says there are midi files and Vienna Instruments preset files.  The preset file I presume is the .fxp file though I don't see any way of opening this file in Vienna Instruments.

Best Regards,
Chris

Posted on Tue, Jan 22 2019 14:35
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7289

Hi Chris, 

it needs a VST2-compatible host to open a *.fxp preset. An instance of Vienna Instruments opened in Cubase or Reaper (for example) will be able to access these settings via the DAWs own file management (see screenshot below).

Kind regards,

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Posted on Wed, Jan 23 2019 16:42
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Hi Dietz,

Ok, I see how to open the .fxp file now via Cakewalk SONAR X1.  I cannot see a way to open them via VE though.  Presumably this is becausse VE is using VST3? 

Regards,

Chris

Posted on Wed, Jan 23 2019 16:55
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7289

VE Pro is using a proprietary plug-in format for its "built-in" tools, like VI, MIR Pro, MIR EQ, panner etc. 

The tutorial you're referring to seems to be a quite old one, maybe released before the more recent versions of Vienna Ensemble ... I will ask Jay Bacal to chime in with the actual details! :-)

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jan 24 2019 02:05
by JBacal
Joined on Sat, Mar 27 2004, Posts 1206

Hi Chris,

The Bloch cello demo was created more than 10 years ago.   Sadly, the .fxb instrument preset file format seems no longer to be compatible with the current versions of the Vienna Instrument program.

You can still learn a little from the midi file.  Notably, the frequent switching of articulations via keyswitches and the shaping of phrases with the midi Expression controller.

More recent "tutorials" should use Vienna Ensemble compatible files.  I also included Cubase project files which will open the entire project.   No fuss, no muss.   You can download a free trial version of Steinberg's Cubase 10 from their website.

Finally, I recommend checking out VSL's MIRx software.   It will instantly give you a more professional sound.  It's like having a world-class mixing engineer (Dietz) in a single plug-in.

Happy experimenting and music making.

Best wishes,

Jay

Posted on Thu, Jan 24 2019 08:28
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7289

Thanks, Jay!

Originally Posted by: JBacal Go to Quoted Post

[...] Sadly, the .fxb instrument preset file format seems no longer to be compatible with the current versions of the Vienna Instrument program. [...]

The workaround would be to use a VST2-host like Reaper or Cubase for loading the old .fxp-based settings and save them as Presets in the recent Vienna Instruments for further use. Cumbersome, no doubt, but doable. :-)

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jan 24 2019 15:57
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Hi Dietz & Jay,

I will try this workaround.  Looks like I should be able to do it through SONAR X1.

Regarding the MIRx mode for MIR Pro, I am only using the Synchron Stage venue.  Are MIRx presets now available for this venue?

Regards,

Chris

Posted on Thu, Jan 24 2019 16:29
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7289

Originally Posted by: ChrisCraven Go to Quoted Post

Hi Dietz & Jay,

I will try this workaround.  Looks like I should be able to do it through SONAR X1.

As long as Sonar opens VST2 plug-ins you'll be fine!

Quote:
Regarding the MIRx mode for MIR Pro, I am only using the Synchron Stage venue.  Are MIRx presets now available for this venue?

No, not yet - sorry to say so.

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Feb 17 2019 21:16
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Hi Dietz & Jay, I have another question about the preset and midi file, maybe you can help. The frequent switching via keyswitches I see is selecting the different articulations. However, for each articulation there appears to be only one or two keys that actually make a sound. Why is this? Best Regards, Chris

Posted on Tue, Apr 09 2019 18:05
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1720

...However, for each articulation there appears to be only one or two keys that actually make a sound. Why is this? Best Regards, Chris...

Why do you want more keyswitches? I think it's great that we need only one command per articulation (tone outside the range of the instrument).

Even though you have obviously been using VSL samples for a long time, this link might answer your question:

followed then by this one:

There are probably more tips on this site which could be helpfull on your way.

All the best

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 17:01
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Hi all,

I have another question regarding the tutorials:  In demos that use Piano I see in most cases, that the midi is separated as right top, middle, bottom & left top, middle, bottom.  Why is this? 

Regards,

Chris

Posted on Mon, May 27 2019 12:05
by Louis Colan
Joined on Fri, Sep 22 2017, Posts 22

I see in most cases, that the midi is separated as right top, middle, bottom & left top, middle, bottom.  Why is this? 

Most likely because it's been programmed from the score rather than played. Ease of organisation and dynamic control etc etc

Posted on Tue, May 28 2019 10:55
by ChrisCraven
Joined on Wed, Mar 09 2016, Posts 42

Thanks Louis, I figured it would be some reason like this.

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