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"Tightness" of fast playing notes
Last post Thu, Jan 31 2019 by stephen limbaugh, 6 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jan 29 2019 06:46
by fishamit
Joined on Thu, Sep 17 2015, Posts 11

Hello,

When writing fast passages with Orchestal Strings (mostly violins) I encounter an issue -

It happens especially when there are significant changes in velocity between the notes.

Some notes will not play "tightly", on the 16th, but with a small delay which sometimes almost gives it a swing feeling.

I attached an example, hope this is clear!

By the way, humanize is dialed all the way down.

Any way to make the notes play tighter? thank you!

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Posted on Tue, Jan 29 2019 09:51
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582

Which articulation (patch) are you using?

For fast legato passgaes I usually use the performance trill.  Fast Stacc I'll use per rep spicc or per rep stac.

If I'm not mistaken the fast legato sometimes does what you describe.  Are you using the time offset feature?


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Posted on Tue, Jan 29 2019 10:38
by fishamit
Joined on Thu, Sep 17 2015, Posts 11

Thanks for the reply. I'm using the perf rep spicc patch.

I'm used to fast legatos sounding weird in VI's, but I'm not sure what the problem is here.

 

EDIT:

After experimenting a little, I've found that the more round robins there are, the less "quantized" the notes will sound. I checked with solo violins as well, it doesn't happen there - only in the orchestral strings patches. 

It happens on perf rep patches as well as in the normal stacc patches. Any ideas?

Thanks!

Posted on Tue, Jan 29 2019 14:33
by holywilly
Joined on Mon, Jul 08 2013, Posts 66
Try “staccato short” articulation, I love the tightness of this one.
Posted on Thu, Jan 31 2019 02:39
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 278

One other solution, since the passage appears to be an arpeggio...

Check out some of the paterns in the MIDI Sequencer of VI pro.  Often, there are switches between articulations that give it a more realistic feel.

AND pay attention to the ends of the notes plus the space in between each note.  You can sometimes fiddle with the 'release' slider.

Finally, you can affect the color of the sound (depending on what is really going on with the rest of the music) with the 'filter' slider.

2019 MacBook Pro, 8 core i9, 32gb RAM. Heavy Digital Audio PC slave, 6 core Xeon E5-1650, 128gb RAM. Logic 10.6.3. Big Sur & Windows 10.
Posted on Thu, Jan 31 2019 04:30
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 278

Also, this passage could be difficult for an ensemble to pull off.

Have you considered different inversions of the chord so you can make use of some open strings?  in G minor, you get two!

2019 MacBook Pro, 8 core i9, 32gb RAM. Heavy Digital Audio PC slave, 6 core Xeon E5-1650, 128gb RAM. Logic 10.6.3. Big Sur & Windows 10.
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