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Last post Fri, May 03 2019 by cklizard, 12 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Apr 13 2019 17:16
by cklizard
Joined on Fri, Mar 17 2006, Posts 12

Hi guys, I'm having problems with the legato articulations. They're often behaving very inconsistently. Sometimes the legato connection will not be triggered even though the MIDI notes do overlap. Other times, the volume of two adjecent legato notes will be radically different even though both notes have the same velocity. Any help would be appreciated.

 

Ch

Posted on Sun, Apr 14 2019 09:43
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1481

Are you using VI Pro?  If so, what's the legato interval set to?  Make sure it's mono, not polyphony.

Is velocity Crossfade turned on or off?  Make sure it's turned off then see if you have the volume differences.


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Posted on Sat, Apr 20 2019 18:48
by cklizard
Joined on Fri, Mar 17 2006, Posts 12

Thanks for the reply, Jasen. My settings are like you suggest, still doesn't work...

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Posted on Sat, Apr 20 2019 18:50
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 428

Can you post a MIDI file and a video or mp3 so we can take a look at your problem?

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Posted on Sat, Apr 20 2019 19:06
by cklizard
Joined on Fri, Mar 17 2006, Posts 12

I uploaded a audio sample. It won't let me upload a midi file, it says it's an unsupported format

Posted on Sat, Apr 20 2019 20:36
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 428
You need to zip the file.
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Posted on Sat, Apr 20 2019 21:55
by cklizard
Joined on Fri, Mar 17 2006, Posts 12

I added the zip file

Posted on Thu, May 02 2019 17:38
by cklizard
Joined on Fri, Mar 17 2006, Posts 12

Hi Ben, I appreciate your earlier responses on this thread, but I was hoping to get some feedback after I uploaded the example files above...

Ch

Posted on Thu, May 02 2019 18:04
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 428

Hi,

sorry, I saw your thread during work and wanted to check it later... and totaly forgot about it.

I just imported your midi. The result is the same as yours. This is part of this instrument. I assume you used the Flute I. On these high notes the legato does sound this way, even with real instruments.
If you dislike this, try the Flute II, or the Piccolo. Their legato has other characters (Flute II -> even transitions, but you can hear the key-noises).

I'll attach the same demo rendered with Flute2 and Piccolo.

Best, Ben

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Posted on Thu, May 02 2019 20:30
by cklizard
Joined on Fri, Mar 17 2006, Posts 12

That helps, thank you so much, Ben. Although I will say that I've run into similar issues with VSL strings, and I don't believe that's a limitation of the actual instrument (i.e. violins can move very smoothly from note to note..)

Posted on Thu, May 02 2019 20:49
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 428

Have you tried lower velocity levels? The legato should sound more smooth in those layers, just like with real instruments.

There are sometimes edge cases where the higer velocity layer will be triggered, but it does not fit the sound you want to create. If so, try using lower velocity and work with volume automation curves.
Or try turning on velocity crossfade + use automation.

If you have smaller jumps use portamento instead, or for faster smaller jumps the performance trills. Don't let the articulation name dictate what you choose. Take the articulation that fits best the sound you want. Somtimes the simple sustain patch + slightly overlapping notes, or on the contrary notes with a little space works best.

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Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 00:04
by cklizard
Joined on Fri, Mar 17 2006, Posts 12

I'll try those suggestions, thanks again!

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