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Posted on Thu, May 02 2019 22:45
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 359

Alright, but I'm noticing quite a bigger jump in VEP7 compared to VEP6.  That's all I'm saying.  Plus I don't agree with you that its normal for the GUI to be sucking 20% of cpu just sitting there playing the meters.  If so, there is something that could be done better.

Enjoy your cpu use!

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Mojave, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Thu, May 02 2019 22:54
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1723

On the mac, it sounds quite normal - if you're displaying a lot of things on screen. Remember that it is only 20% of one core, and in a low priority thread at that.

Any open plugin GUIs will of course add to the main thread CPU usage as well.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, May 02 2019 22:57
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 359

I'm looking at 20% increase on the overall computer usage aross 12 cores.its not just 20% bump on one core.  If I open the GUI...my machine's overall 12 core CPU usage goes up 10-20%,  Hide the gui and and drops back down.

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Mojave, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 08:23
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1723

That sounds like quite a bit of activity.

Could you send me a screenshot of your VEPro in action, so I can assess what activity is going on?

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 10:47
by Andreas Waldetoft
Joined on Sun, Jun 15 2003, Posts 17

I am having trouble with my Izotope Ozone 8 plugins. It seems like they crash the initial vst search and all other vst after them becomes "unknown".

 

Is this a known bug?

Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 10:54
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1723

Originally Posted by: Andreas Waldetoft Go to Quoted Post

I am having trouble with my Izotope Ozone 8 plugins. It seems like they crash the initial vst search and all other vst after them becomes "unknown".

 Is this a known bug?

Not a known bug. Which operating system are you on, and which exact version of Ozone is this?

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 10:54
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 514

All iZotope plugins have in my experience two sets of plugin. One does always not load (even in Cubase). But if you look in the FX list, Ozone should be there (just checked it on my system and the plugin works, but is also in the unknown List).

Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 11:02
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1723

I know that the iZoptope VST plugins can be incredibly slow in scanning - since they appear to completely tear down and setup everything for each channel configuration.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 11:07
by Andreas Waldetoft
Joined on Sun, Jun 15 2003, Posts 17

Originally Posted by: MS Go to Quoted Post

I know that the iZoptope VST plugins can be incredibly slow in scanning - since they appear to completely tear down and setup everything for each channel configuration.

 

Izotope Ozone 8.02a which should be newest one.

It says it is failing the verification and then it just stops and crash. 

 

I will put the izotope .dll's in another folder and do a rescan and should be ok. I usually not use them outside the final master and in cubase anyway.

Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 14:09
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 359

Originally Posted by: MS Go to Quoted Post

That sounds like quite a bit of activity.

Could you send me a screenshot of your VEPro in action, so I can assess what activity is going on?

Will do so today.  Just the ET Tutorial from VSL website...no extra FX plugins (shrug).  But I will make some screenshots today...

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Mojave, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 15:37
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5369

I loaded the biggest project I have ever made, originally done for VE6 and it loaded perfectly in 7, plays back just as well with that great new feature of being able to instantly see the articulations on the mixer (very useful! - previously they are somewhat "buried" within the VI instances).  Also  the range of new EQ/instrument settings available is great to have.  There is no increase at all in CPU useage on my system.  

Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 17:04
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1607

I had to roll back to 6 due to instability and a bug with automation recall, so I used 7 and 6 side by side as it were. Pretty certain 7 in my use case is more efficient (I was using Nuendo with ASIO Guard at medium, 6 had to go to high. Day before I was still using the Cubase 10 trial.)

MacBook Pro 15,1: 2.9 GHz 6-core i9
32GB 2400MHz DDR4
OSX 10.14.5
VE Pro 7
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 21:24
by thomasjdev
Joined on Tue, Feb 19 2019, Posts 2

I'm also seeing the CPU issue when the GUI for an active instance is displayed. I had this issue on 6 as well and opened a ticket (Case 297541) about the problem.

My steps to reliabliy recreate the issue are below. It makes sense there would be additional CPU usage for drawing the meter but from my observation using the test outline below jumping from ~20% to ~100% showing a single meter seems like something else could be going on as well.


Launch VE Pro Server 
1. Create two Instances
2. Load Instrument in the first instance (I picked the VSL Concert D)
 
Launch new project in DAW (I'm using Cubase 10.0.20)
1. Create a new VEPro Instrument
2. Create a simple midi part (I wrote in a couple block chords for a 4 bar loop)
3. Start Playback
 
Launch Activity Monitor and find the Vienna Ensemble Pro process
1. Observe high cpu usage
2. Go to VE Pro and change the selected instance to the 2nd instance (the one that has no activity)
3. Go back to Activity monitor and. observe the cpu usage of VE Pro
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 21:45
by thomasjdev
Joined on Tue, Feb 19 2019, Posts 2

If it's helpful (or for someone to point out that I'm doing something wrong) here is a quick screen recording creating the issue I see. Apoligies in advance for the terrible chord progression

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tps64ryyeicjz80/Cubase-VEP7-CPU.mp4?dl=0

Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 22:25
by JamesPDX
Joined on Fri, May 01 2015, USA, Posts 48

Here's a dumb question;

Will my Special Editions still work on VEP7 as it is fully functional in VEP6? What about my Slate Drums (SSD5) that are 64 bit? UVI (latest) ??

I'm a little wary of the Synchron Player. I've searched the site but everything seems to point the user towards upgrading and buy new Synchron Strings, etc. Would anyone care to weigh-in with their knowledge?

Please and thank you...

James Long
PC & Mac, Windows 10 and Mojave
Pro Tools 2019.x
VEP 7.x
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 22:52
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1607

My SE Percussion works in VEP 7, I doubt there is anything VSL which won't. One user reported VEP 7 won't see UVI Workstation.

I like Synchron Stage mixing interface and the sound. The paradigm is a little different as to control. 
The player itself is fine afaict.

MacBook Pro 15,1: 2.9 GHz 6-core i9
32GB 2400MHz DDR4
OSX 10.14.5
VE Pro 7
Posted on Fri, May 03 2019 23:10
by noiseboyuk
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Posts 83

Originally Posted by: civilization 3 Go to Quoted Post
One user reported VEP 7 won't see UVI Workstation.

Just to say that's resolved in the next build (my understanding is it was not an issue specific to the UVI Workstation, but a general problem scanning certain libraries on certain setups).

Nothng is affected re any VSL libraries, those will load as normal in VI Player or VI Pro, so no worries on that score.

Win 7 Pro 64 bit, i7 4930, RME Babyface, 64gb RAM, Cubase Pro 8, PT12 HD, VE Pro 5
Posted on Sun, May 05 2019 08:45
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 359

Originally Posted by: thomasjdev Go to Quoted Post

If it's helpful (or for someone to point out that I'm doing something wrong) here is a quick screen recording creating the issue I see. Apoligies in advance for the terrible chord progression

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tps64ryyeicjz80/Cubase-VEP7-CPU.mp4?dl=0

Today I am noticeing that even if nothing is playing..   If I hide the VEP window, showing the DP window...CPU is pretty idle at 3%.  Show the VEP window and hide the DP window...CPU usage jumps to 15% and stays that way..nothing is playing.

VEP is clearly doing something with the GUI that is using up 15% when nothing is happening.  I hope you can get to the bottom of it.

Today I installed the update from this morning and performance is horrible, worse then yesterday, can't even play from Cubase at all without dropouts, DP only slightly better, Logic still plays it because Logic is somehow more efficient.  But all three exhibit this problem of the extra 10-20% cpu when VEP window is showing.

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Mojave, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Mon, May 06 2019 08:15
by JamesPDX
Joined on Fri, May 01 2015, USA, Posts 48

 

Civilization 3 and Noiseboyuk,

I've found that in my VEP6 setups that I converted to VEP7, I had to go in and carefully reselect/replace plugins/instruments like UVI and Slate Drums to the AU versions to make everything work right. _then you have to save the VEP instances before you save the Server Project, which will be new.

As with VSL/VEP6, on a new install I first review and refresh the sample libraries via Directory Manager.

I then move onto opening the non-server versions of the VEP (now 7) bundle so that the plugins all get rescanned and any buffers, sample rates, numbre of midi channels, and nuber of audio i/o are set according to my preferences.

Another thing with a lot of 3rd party VI's is that you need to open the library settings within those plugins as well, making sure everything is just so. There have been times when I build a new setup and I forget to do all of that gruntwork, especially dreading Waves and UAD plugin rescans. I just try to get it in there while everything is fresh.  Something scripted would be a much better way. 

James Long
PC & Mac, Windows 10 and Mojave
Pro Tools 2019.x
VEP 7.x
Posted on Mon, May 06 2019 08:39
by JamesPDX
Joined on Fri, May 01 2015, USA, Posts 48

Dewdman42,

Thanks for posting that. Although the CPU % looks high, the total load in the graph window is still low. On my Steinway, I maxxed-out th polyphony, but I'm only using a stereo set and no reverb plugin. See attachment.

Something I did notice and I'd suggest is to turn off your Wi-Fi and use ethernet if possible. Same with Bluetooth. Disable any attached webcam. The Synchron stuff is great, but it's a CPU hog. You're not doing anything wrong. Try a simpler patch like the stereo "recording" Decca Tree and disable a couple of the room mic channels.

Limit all DSP inside of the Synchron Player like reverb: Use a "master reverb" that works with the whole mix and it should gel fine. If you have an external reverb unit, use that just for monitoring and only use the fancy convolution ones for when your printing final FX tracks and aren't concerned with latency, etc. YMMV.

I hope this helps or gives you a better idea. Cheers!

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PC & Mac, Windows 10 and Mojave
Pro Tools 2019.x
VEP 7.x
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