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placing stereo audio track in MIR Pro 24
Last post Wed, May 08 2019 by Glaikt, 5 replies.
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Posted on Wed, May 08 2019 13:17
by Glaikt
Joined on Mon, May 06 2019, Posts 3

 

I would like to place a pre recorded overly dry stereo track (a choir) into MIR Pro 24 with the intention of placing it in a hall to add some space around it. So I insert the Mir Pro 24 plugin as an insert effect in Cakewalk Bandlab (Sonar Platinum). But the stereo width of the audio track changes to being very mono(ish) How do I keep the stereo track as is? Is it something to do with the instrument profile settings? I don’t have VEP, only MIR Pro 24.

 

(I can pull the width handles out as far as they go, but I’m not convinced that that is the same as the stereo picture of the original stereo track)

 

I’m using Roompack 2.

Many thanks.

Posted on Wed, May 08 2019 14:43
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7233

Welcome Glaikt,

I think the best way to achieve this is by using MIR Pro as some kind of "glorified AUX-send reverb". :-) I'll give you the step-by-step instructions, but they make things looking more complicated than they actually are, so don't despair:

1. Instantiate MIR Pro in an FX channel, much like you would do in case of a conventional reverb plug-in.

2. Select the MIR Venue of your choice, with a microphone setup that fits your needs (most likely Stereo M/S, maybe a Blumlein-array of crossed Fig-8).

3. Move the MIR Icon to the center-axis of the stage. (... you can do this by typing-in the coordinates, too!)

4. Select a General Purpose Instrument Profile, with Omni or Wide Cardioid characteristics.

5. Increase the stereo width of the MIR Icon until the left/right handles form an equilateral triangle with the Main Mic's position (... you don't have to be too finicky about that, it's just a rule-of-thumb).

6. IMPORTANT: Set MIR Pro to "Wet Solo" in its Output section!

7. ... now route your mix to this FX channel and add the resulting reverb according your to taste and needs. The original stereo width of your mix will stay unchanged.

HINT: Keep in mind that changing the Icon's stereo width and/or its position on MIR's stage will give you almost countless options to sculpt your sound. Don't forget that you can shorten the overall revereb length! And finally, there's always the RoomEQ to get rid of boom, disturbing resonances and so on.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, May 08 2019 15:42
by Glaikt
Joined on Mon, May 06 2019, Posts 3

 

Many thanks Dietz for the reply and suggestions.

 

I’ve had a quick play with that and, indeed it works. I’ll experiment further!

 

In this particular recording there is also a separately recorded piano (although some of the piano is also in the choir mics) so will try some sort of workaround for that too. At a guess, that might mean another instance of Mir Pro (same venue, same mics) with the same setup (wet solo aux), positioning the piano in a different place?

 

What I had hoped for, was that I could eventually use Mir Pro as a gathering place for dry recorded real instruments, place them in the same venue within the software for positioning in the same environment to gel them together. Is that feasible with Mir Pro? Would that be more workable in any way combining Mir Pro with VEP7?

 

I sometimes record real instruments and mix them with orchestral samples so VEP7 is probably going to be a purchase anyway, but I’d like to know if that will work in Mir Pro. Basically, can I position pre recorded instruments (mono or stereo) into Mir Pro and the original recording stays intact within the venue?

 

Thanks again Dietz.

Posted on Wed, May 08 2019 15:55
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7233

Originally Posted by: Glaikt Go to Quoted Post
Many thanks Dietz for the reply and suggestions.

 I’ve had a quick play with that and, indeed it works. I’ll experiment further!

Glad to hear! :-)

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In this particular recording there is also a separately recorded piano (although some of the piano is also in the choir mics) so will try some sort of workaround for that too. At a guess, that might mean another instance of Mir Pro (same venue, same mics) with the same setup (wet solo aux), positioning the piano in a different place?

MIR is all about placing signal sources from different recordings into the same virtual hall, so it will open the next instance with the same basic settings (a.k.a. "MIR Engine Settings") anyway. :-)

Quote:
What I had hoped for, was that I could eventually use Mir Pro as a gathering place for dry recorded real instruments, place them in the same venue within the software for positioning in the same environment to gel them together. Is that feasible with Mir Pro? Would that be more workable in any way combining Mir Pro with VEP7?

Like I wrote above: This is _exactly_ what MIR Pro has been made for. If you aim for different reverbs for different sources ("pop-music mixing"), you'd be better off with conventional reverb plug-ins.

VE Pro as a host is the better choice for Vienna Instruments due to quite nifty features which allow for some data-interaction between instrument and Venue. As long as you use 3rd party instruments or real recordings, the plug-in version of MIR Pro will do fine.

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I sometimes record real instruments and mix them with orchestral samples so VEP7 is probably going to be a purchase anyway, but I’d like to know if that will work in Mir Pro. Basically, can I position pre recorded instruments (mono or stereo) into Mir Pro and the original recording stays intact within the venue?

Yes - see above. :-)

Just keep in mind that MIR is about positioning a sound source in a hall, not about adding an arbitrary reverb tail to an otherwise unchanged signal. IOW: MIR will always change the stereo width and/or the panning. It's the fundamental part of the underlying idea. 

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, May 08 2019 17:24
by Glaikt
Joined on Mon, May 06 2019, Posts 3

Thanks for the reply Dietz.

Further experimentation will follow as I get to grips with what's what! :)

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